Talk:Swamp Thing/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Archive 2

POV-Check

Somebody's done some tremendous work on this article, and it's great except for the multiple occasions where it strays into aesthetic judgments. I fixed a couple of them, but I'm not familiar enough with the series to get them all. Could somebody take a look at this? -leigh (φθόγγος) 03:35, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

How about now? Remove the POV tag if you agree. I also trimmed a bit of stuff that looked redundant/irrelevant to me, hopefully not too much. And I thought the intro paragraph needed at least a brief description of the character and a mention of Moore, who's still probably the most famous writer of the series. ←Hob 17:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Portuguese/Brazilian monster - same or different?

"Related creatures" says "Monstro do Pântano" is a similar but unrelated character from Brazil, created before Swamp Thing. But someone's added a "Monstro do Pântano" article to the Portuguese wiki (with an interlanguage link from Swamp Thing), and it's just a translation of Swamp Thing. Huh? ←Hob 17:24, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

World Elemental

There's a bit of a jump in the "Mark Millar" section between "Swampy says humanity sucks" and "world elemental". As written, it implies an intent to wipe out humanity once he achieves World Elemental status, without explaining that he doesn't do so or why. I'll try to improve on it sometime soon, unless someone wants to tackle it first. -- Slaarti 03:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

There. I think that should cover it. -- Slaarti 06:12, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism?

Are the two lines on the page stating "Also, the Swamp Thing was a well known homosexual." vandalism? I see no citations supporting that claim and quite a lot contradicting it. Not being ... intimately... familiar with the character's history, though, I thought I should ask. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.3.130.207 (talk • contribs) 19:48, February 15, 2007 (UTC)

Yep, it was vandalism. Actually, for a shambling mass of rotting vegetation/humanoid manifestation of the plant kingdom, Swampy is surprisingly heterosexual. (There's an Alan Moore story in which he "pollenates" with Abby for pretty much the whole issue.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 23:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Fictional deity

World elemental, or enlightened planet, does not equal deity. CovenantD 14:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Random editor 24, please discuss your objections with CovenantD here -- you guys might me able to work this out. My vote: Swampy is not a deity because (1) he seems to have been depowered; (2) few if any entities worship him. More generally, the whole "DC Comics Dieties" category is not that helpful. TheronJ 16:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

The anon editor was factually correct. Swamp Thing is indeed one of the more prominent DC Comics deities. Two of his aliases in this category are the mythical Green Man], and the fictitional "Bon Gumbo" (Cajun religion) in addition to being recognized as an unnamed Inuit god related to shamanism. I hope this is helpful. Information sourced from website: http://rhandley.0catch.com/swampthing

STcanon 00:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Related Creatures

While I admire the scholarship in the recent expansion of that section, I feel it's bordering into the trivial. It's not always clear if we're talking of influences on or from Swamp Thing. The monster from the swamp is a common trope in fiction. It it's all influences from then that's too many. If it's just a list of related creatures, then it's trivia. The only relevant mentions are: The Heap, Sturgeon's It. and possibly Man-Thing for the coincidence

The bulk of this information should appear either under Heap or It rather than under Swamp Thing. --Leocomix 14:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

The only ones I added were Bog Swamp Demon and The Bog Beast. The others were already there; I simply rearranged them chronologically and added a sentence comparing Sallis and Holland. --Scottandrewhutchins 14:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

The big problem with that section is that it is all original research - I see no references and without a source saying "These are like Swamp Thing" then there is no real reason these should be here. Lacking references the best you could do is strip it down to a list. (Emperor 15:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC))

Gerber and Wein

Can anyone verify the circumstances I mention in the article - I remember reading it somewhere years ago, but I can't recall where. Lokicarbis 05:39, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

Googling their names and "roommates" produced this article on Cinescape, which is an interview of Gerber. However, it's Gerry Conway who is roommates with Wein, and Gerber was responsible for rewriting Man-Thing in order to be different from Swamp Thing. I'll fix that part in the article. --Grumpyhan 16:43, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ah, many thanks for your correction. Lokicarbis 05:58, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

An article in Comic Book Artist noted that the Alec Holland origin is much closer to the Man-Thing origin than the Alex Olsen origin, and, of course, the Alec Holland origin came five months after Man-Thing. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 15:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Millar the "ghostwriter"

Have removed comments about Millar having to rely on Morrison's notes for the series, which have been sitting there uncited for nearly a year. It's a pretty dangerous accusation to make, and without any citation at all it shouldn't be here. JonStrines (talk) 15:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Enlightened planets??

is mogo an enlightened planet?? I have no idea and that's why i ask it just seems that he should be208.255.127.61 (talk) 04:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Alan Moore's Phantom Stranger origin

Can anyone here come up with just what specifics (and in what issue) Alan Moore worked into his Swamp Thing run that corroborated his "fallen angel" origin for the Phantom Stranger he wrote for Secret Origins # 10, January 1987? I want to add this material to the Stranger's own article—or you could yourself, of course. Either way, thanks in advance. Ted Watson (talk) 20:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Image box

That is a very unclear image of the character. I believe the MOS says it must be a full-frontal shot, clear and without distracting elements. --Skippu (talk) 21:23, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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I added a fair use rationale for this article. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 18:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Movie and Moore

It says that the first Swamp Thing movie "rejected" Alan Moore’s revision of the character’s origin. As the movie is said to have been released in 1982, and Moore didn’t write for the series until 1983, isn’t that just plain wrong? I hesitate to revise the mention, because I don’t know if this is based on fact, but from a behind the scenes point-of-view: perhaps Moore was brought in to work on the series, his concept was known to the movie company, prior to his issues hitting the shops, and they rejected it? My gut feeling is that it *is* an error, but I can’t say for sure.Jock123 (talk) 23:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Powers and abilities

It's kinda surprising that swamp thing doesn't have his own powers and abilities section. I suggest somebody make one.

I've added one with the {{empty section}} tag, hopefully someone familiar with Swamp Thing will add some information. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 07:42, 11 November 2009 (UTC)