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... that the composition of a sugya, or passage in the Babylonian Talmud, has multiple layers, with the latest edited with an anonymous voice?

Source: "Separating the Tannaitic, Amoraic, and Stammaitic layers reveals that the rabbis employ increasingly abstract formulations and concepts in their legal science." Stammaitic = anonymous (same source). See: Rubenstein at https://www.ancientjewreview.com/read/2016/2/9/talmudicstories

ALT1: ... that a sugya, or passage in the Talmud, may be read as folklore, philosophy, proto-feminist, or legal virtuosity? Source: Folklore -- Stein, Dina (2019). "Linguistic Liaisons: Wives and Vows in the Babylonian Talmud (BT Nedarim 66a-b)". Nashim: A Journal of Jewish Women's Studies & Gender Issues (35). Philosophy: Lévinas, Emmanuel; Aronowicz, Annette; Lévinas, Emmanuel (1990). Nine Talmudic readings. Bloomington: Indiana Univ. Press. ISBN 978-0-253-20876-7. Proto-feminist: Hauptman, Judith (1998). Rereading the rabbis: a woman's voice. Boulder, Colo.: Westview Press. ISBN 978-0-8133-3400-4. Conceptual "virtuosity: -- Moscovitz, Leib (2003). ""Designation is Significant": An Analysis of the Conceptual Sugya in bSan 47b–48b". AJS Review. 27 (2): 227–252. Let me know if quotes from sources would be helpful.
ALT2: ... that anonymous editors may create a sugya, or passage in the Talmud, by rewording quotations by earlier rabbis? Source: Moscovitz, Leib. "'The Holy Blessed One Be He... Does Not Permit the Righteous to Stumble': Reflections on the Development of a Remarkable BT Theologoumenon." In Rubenstein, Jeffrey L., ed. Creation and Composition: the Contribution of the Bavli Redactors (Stammaim) to the Aggada. Mohr Sieback, 2005, p126 "Second, the anonymous BT redactors contributed to the Talmud by reformulating amoraic dicta, not just by adding to their statements." Friedman, Shamma (2005). "A Good Story Deserves Retelling – The Unfolding Of The Akiva Legend" in same book: see p.72 "anonymous voice in the sugyot... original and creative rather than simply preserving or transmitting"
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tony Pajaczkowski
Comment: Open to suggestions with the hook, trying to avoid insider jargon. Also, please help with my faulty template use in the QPQ. Btw, "proto-feminist" isn't quite parallel structure.

Created by ProfGray (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

ProfGray (talk) 04:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@ProfGray: Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig picks up nothing. I added a {{cn}} tag that needs addressing. More serious, however, is the fact that I don't find any of the hooks to meet WP:DYKINT and I can't see anything in the article that would make a good hook, though the latter may because this is extremely technical.--Laun chba ller 15:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback. How about this? ... that only in the 20th C. were scholars able to prove when a sugya, or passage in the Babylonian Talmud, was invented as if written by earlier authors?

Trying to avoid the plural form, sugyot. "Invented" in the article, could say "composed" in the hook. It's kind of pseudoepigraphic. This finding was crucial to the historical study of Talmud vs the religious. ProfGray (talk) 19:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I still don't find that interesting.--Laun chba ller 14:28, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]