Talk:Stuart Semple

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Housecleaning

This entry needed a LOT of cleaning up. First, I removed the "Exhibition" lists, as they are outside of the WP format for artists. For example none of the WP entries for the far more famous YBA artists (Damien Hirst, Tracy Emin, Rachel Whiteread, etc.) have exhibition lists (especially not for participation in group shows at minor galleries, such as Semple included here). Next, I removed the paragraphs that could effectively be considered "Stuart Semple speaks his mind", which read more like artist's statements. To wit: "'I used to paint alone when I had a tiny studio middle of nowhere. It had mice and was freezing. Now I have assistants who help me paint, because I'm doing massive, massive stuff, right now. It's not the same...'" Semple's opinions are non-notable. There was also some very sloppy filler, such as "Eric Bryant debated Stuart Semple and contemporary Pop Art in a seminal ARTnews feature 50 years after Richard Hamilton had defined the movement." The reference link leads to no such "debate", it is merely a scan of an article from ARTnews Magazine, in which just five sentences are devoted to Semple. The former entry went on to say "Semple's relationship with current culture, politics and imagery has put him at the forefront of the next generation of debate..." --again, this is pure puffery; the reference cited says no such thing. In general, I believe that this WP entry was created by Semple himself (note that the original entry was by an anonymous IP address in London, and that creator only contributed to one other WP entry, on the MOMART fire, and another early contributor was WP user "Audioboy1980", a transparent pseudonym for Semple who used to call himself "Nancyboy" and was born in 1980). WP does not exist to act as an adjunct to an artist's portfolio. Semple is a very minor artist, and I suggest he doesn't meet the WP Living Persons Notability criteria, but if he is going to have an entry, it should be far less subjective and far leaner. Bricology (talk) 21:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

212.84.121.253

Anonymous user 212.84.121.253 has been persistent in his reverts without signing his changes or commenting on them. I am going to re-revert the entry and if he reverts it again, I'm going to ask for the entry to be locked. At this point, it's veering into vandalism. Bricology (talk) 19:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bricology

Hi, I agree with some of the housecleaning points in that the entry needs to be properly researched and to adhere to WP guidelines. Your nomination for deletion and editing of the entry however does not include a mention of his well documented 10 year career and contributions to the contemporary art landscape. Semple has had 9 solo shows in 8 years, as well as art fairs and Biennials, contributes to the Art of England Journal and the Guardian Online and sits on the Board of the Creator's Council at DACS. The paragraphs that quote from the Saachi Online interview were taken by Tyrenius (who actively contributes to art entries and had argued successfully for Semple's notability earlier). I agree that a more balanced 'leaner' entry that doesn't dwell on sensational media hype from Uri Geller's commission, and rather the achievements of a young artist's career would be 'less subjective' also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nnevillem (talk • contribs) 10:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I came here to check up on the puffery which this article is prone to, and found it had been decimated. Anti-puffery with a vengeance. I have restored the sections removed by Bricology, who hadn't understood notability. Notability is for the article, not every fact in it. Hey, check up on WP:NOTABILITY. Bricology has removed referenced sections from good sources. Obviously in ignorance of the rules. Repeated removal of referenced material is, ho hum, vandalism. Please discuss the article content. The list of shows can be more selective. 213.121.211.126 (talk) 15:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Word to Mr. 213.121.211.126 (is that you, Stuart? That IP address traces to London, you know): I'm quite familiar with WP:Notability. The "notability" of Semple was greatly exaggerated, and by anonymous contributors in Britain. What a surprise! Suppose you explain the difference between "notability is for the article" as opposed to notability for "every fact in it". The weight of notability rests upon those very "facts"; take them away and the artist's alleged notability evaporates. Regardless, it's pathetic to see anons (who very well may be Semple himself or one of his cohorts) play into Semple's self-manufacturing of importance. Forty years ago, pop artists did the same thing, declaring themselves important and relevant, and the critics, curators and collectors be damned. To see a scheming, small-talent artist like Semple pad an entry so that it's longer than the WP entries for well-established, legitimate and far more respected and exhibited British contemporary artists like Sean Scully, Richard Long, Anish Kapoor, Richard Deacon, Howard Hodgkin, Tony Cragg, Bill Woodrow, David Mach, is galling, and it goes against the basic journalistic principle of proportion. All of the aforementioned artists have been shortlisted for, or won, the Turner Prize, all are in the permanent collection of the Tate, all have had monographs published by legitimate art publishing houses, all have been producing and showing for at least 30 years. And along comes Stuart Semple and either writes his own WP entry, or has a cohort write it (anonymously, of course), longer than the entries for those other artists?! Patently absurd. It's telling that his supporters here don't even have WP identities; just anonymous IP addresses. Sock-puppetry, or meat-puppetry? Take your pick. Bricology (talk) 07:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Group shows

I've removed the resume-like list of group shows to here.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 21:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC) updated current exhibitions Nnevillem (talk) 15:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Group Exhibitions
- 2008 ‘Signal 8’ The Cat Street Gallery, Hong Kong
- 2008 ‘Romance’ Kowalsky Gallery, London
- 2008 'Urbanity on Paper' Anna Kustera, NYC
- 2007 'Do You Nomi' AUS18 Gallery, Milan
- 2007 'The Black Market' Anna Kusterra Gallery, NYC (curated by Stuart Semple and Ju$t Another Rich Kid)
- 2006 'I'll Be Your Mirror', Primo Alonso Gallery, London
- 2006 Xiclet Gallery, Sao Paulo Biennial, Brazil
- 2006 'I'll Be Your Mirror', Liverpool Independents Biennial
- 2006 'Art Salon' 43 South Molton, London
- 2005 'Irresistible Paint' A&D Gallery, London
- 2005 'Art of Love 2005 ' Oxo Gallery, London
- 2004 represented England for ArtExpo - Mexico
- 2003 'Pop Culture' Beatrice Royal, Hampshire.
- 2003 'A6' Lewisham Art House, London
- 2003 Affordable Art Fair, Battersea Park, London
- 2002 Cafe Gallery Projects, London
- 2001 Contemporary Art Sale and Auction, Russell-Cotes Museum, Bournemouth
- 2001 Art Auction, A&D Gallery London

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Informative and interesting

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Vantapaint vs Vantablack

The section on Kapoor refers to "Vantapaint", while the Wikipedia article is under the title Vantablack. The top result for a Google search for "Vantapaint" is the Vantablack article. Is it called Vantapaint in art circles? Molinari (talk) 20:30, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Suggestion to rename "Conflict with Anish Kapoor" to "Democratisation of colours"

Currently I notice that the "Conflict with Anish Kapoor" section of the article mentions his conflict with Anish Kapoor, and mentions Incredibly Kleinish Blue, his substitute for International Klein Blue (nothing to do with Anish Kapoor) as an additional side note. Later on in the article, Freetone, his substitute for Pantone, is mentioned as a subsection of "Later works". I think it would probably be better if all three of these projects (as well as the creation of TIFF Blue, not mentioned in the article) were in a single section, and that section were renamed to e.g. "Democratisation of colours", a wider goal which started with the Anish Kapoor conflict. Edderiofer (talk) 12:24, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's been over a week and nobody objected, so I decided to be WP:BOLD and just do it myself. I also added his newest democratisation colour, Pinkie. Edderiofer (talk) 16:05, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm late here but I think "development of specialist colours"/"development of specialist paints" or even just "culturehustle" (the name of the website they're sold through) would likely be better. It seems that vantablack is ridiculously hard to make in any quantity, and Surrey nanotech, having been approached by a number of artists and not being an art materials distribution business (it was developed for purely technical applications), decided to collaborate with Kapoor, whose life's work deals with the reflection of light.

I'd say "democratisation" is too emotive. Kapoor couldn't sell you the stuff if he wanted to; they can barely produce it, from what I read in this Guardian article. Klein Blue wasn't "undemocratic" in access either, from what I read on its article; it's ultramarine suspended in a pigment binder you can still buy, and the process of making it was never patented.

I'm sure there's a less wonky way of rewriting the subheading, but I'm not sure what that would be. —Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 23:34, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Too long and excessive detail

My first time reading about Stuart Semple and this article is clearly far too long and detailed (as the templates hat have been there for five years say.). I'll embark on some heavy editing. Seaweed (talk) 13:49, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]