Talk:Stockholm syndrome/Archive 3

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Citation 3 link broken

I found the link for this citation to be broken. A quick google search turned up a PDF with the same title, publisher (FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin) and author. That link is here: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/fea2/8c58bc55c532ab2387f4743ef58b54647021.pdf Xenonni (talk) 19:01, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

 Corrected comrade waddie96 (talk) 09:48, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

New perspective

Jess Hill's book See What You Made Me Do, about domestic violence, has some quite disturbing information about the syndrome - not just that it's poorly defined, and that most diagnoses are made by the media, but that the Norrmalmstorg incident was so badly mishandled, the hostages were at greater risk from law enforcement than from their captors. Hill's information really should be incorporated into the article somehow - thoughts? DS (talk) 20:35, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven: Sounds great, your help would be appreciated. comrade waddie96 (talk) 09:48, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

revomal of two wrong examples

i removed the elizabeht smart's and natashca kampusch's examples from the entry. after reading thier books and watching psychologist analysing their behaivors, it is clear none of them have suffered from stockholm syndrome. in kampuch's case it could be an argument, but elizabeth has never spoke about her abductor in any kind way, never tried to understand him, never forgave him, and the only reason she could not escape while having the option was fear. we should take to consideration that this is a rational fear, that would affect any victim, and does not come from the result of irrational defence mechanism (such as this syndrome). --Froggotheking (talk) 19:53, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

WP:BUNDLING 10 citations for one sentence seems excessive

I made this Revision as of 13:32, 3 October 2021 and bundled 10 citations in to one footnote. However 10 citations for one sentence in the WP:LEAD is a real problem of style. The lead is meant to be a summery of the body of the article. As such there should be no need for any citations.

I would suggest that the whole paragraph is moved into the body of the article (probably into a dedicated section) where the sentences can be teased out and a summary introduction is left in the lead eg:

Stockholm syndrome is a "contested illness" due to doubt about the legitimacy of the condition. It has also come to describe the reactions of some abuse victims of crimes other than kidnappings or hostage-taking.

-- PBS (talk) 13:49, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

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Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was merge. There seems to be unanimous consensus to merge the articles. JIP | Talk 22:34, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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Helsinki syndrome should be merged here. All there is to say about "Helsinki syndrome" is that it's a misnomer for Stockholm syndrome made by people who get confused between Stockholm and Helsinki. JIP | Talk 10:19, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree with this merge proposal CrafterNova (talk) 04:38, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree as long as it is kept short and not tries to list every use in popular culture. --Sjö (talk) 09:18, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Support, as I noticed this too when I assessed the article for WikiProject Psychology. Helsinki syndrome will probably never be more than a stub. Bibeyjj (talk) 10:39, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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Personal opinions / experiences

I just wanted to say that reading that stockholm syndrome is questioned to even exist is saddening and frustrating. It is a very powerful thing used by captors to retain their slaves. Slavery is quite large and captors need ways to retain people. I expect a simple way to produce stockholm syndrome is to place somebody in extreme, sustained trauma, where they are urgent and desperately seeking escape, and then be the sole source of relief from this trauma. I imagine they quickly learn to see you as what is good. Something like this happened to me. It is very powerful and real. Anything to stop the terror can become wonderful. [queue criticism from shills] [EDIT: this might actually be something slightly different called traumatic bonding]73.4.11.177 (talk) 19:58, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Your edits in this article suggests that there is more than one form of Stockholm syndrome and you make statements about therapy. Both of these seem a bit questionable. Do you have any sources you could add to the article? Sjö (talk) 20:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

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Suggestion: Monetary Stockholm Syndrome

Hi all, there is significant information, particularly within the cryptocurrency community about "Monetary Stockholm Syndrome" - This is a term coined to describe investors who show sympathy or still believe in their investment leaders to deliver on the products they promised. Despite being rug pull or scammed.

I'd like to include this into this article but I am finding it tricky to include it, any suggesting on how to get this included would be much appreciated.

useful References [1] [2]

GR86 (📱) 12:13, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't think this rises to the level of notability. It's just another colloquial re-use of the term in popular discourse. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 23:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

"Theorized" condition

The first paragraph makes it clear that the existence of the condition is unknown/disputed. The first sentence should reflect this. "SS is a condition where..." implies "There exists a condition SS where...". It's unclear whether it exists. See Bertrand Russell's, "Hamlet was..." implies "There was a man named Hamlet who..." DenverCoder9 (talk) 01:27, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Verbal diarrhea syndrome

This article needs a machete taken to it, primarily to excise much or most of the hifalutin psychoanalytic doubletalk. And pardon me if I've missed it, but what source ties Fairbairn (who died in 1964) to the subject of this article? EEng 18:37, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Unless someone can find a reference that connects Fairbairn's theory to Stockholm syndrome I think that the whole section should be removed. It looks like textbook WP:OR; someone has read about a theory of children's attachment to their abuser and thought that is a similar mechanism as that in Stockholm syndrome. Sjö (talk) 10:42, 22 February 2023 (UTC)