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Jews in Sosnowiec

Hey, who's the anti-semite who removed ALL the Jewish history?

Granted, the article woefully needed (and needs) more non-Jewish history of the city, but to arbitrarily remove ALL references to Jews just smacks of a Nazi. Tymek had the right idea below.

Don't be serious about information on so-called subculture "burdziarze", it has completely no important, it's a stupid joke. The person who write it is radiculous.

There is apparently much history missing! I just found shipment receipts (kind of canned food packages) sent to my grandfather (who was killed by the Nazis)from my father dated 1940. They were sent from New York City. I believe my grandfather and two uncles starved to death shortly thereafter. These relatives were deported from Germany years prior to this date. One package contained one can of each; marmelade, cocoa, sardines. He lived on Schraubenstrasse 1B. Would like any further information. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.197.96 (talk) 17:03, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Poles in Sosnowiec

Is there anyone in Sosnowiec who could provide some info about Polish majority living in there?

Jewish schools, hospitals and places of worship are surely interesting and worthy mentioning , but there were also Polish institutions as Poles were majority of the city throughout the years

So, Sosnowiec people, get to work and fill the description of the city

Tymek 23:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Famous People Section

Perhaps in the famous people section, we should list why each person is significant? --MasterA113 18:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I would just remove any person which does not have a Wikipedia article. After all, anyone famous ought to have one at this point. Balcer 18:24, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's a rather self-serving definition of popularity. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.18.201.182 (talk) 08:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

B-class review failed

This article does not meet B-class criteria, due to missing key sections (ex. culture) and insufficient inline referencing (there are entire sections unreferenced). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Silesian Metropolis

http://prawo.sejm.gov.pl/isap.nsf/download.xsp/WDU20170001290/O/D20171290.pdf

Warszawa, dnia 30 czerwca 2017 r. Poz. 1290 ROZPORZĄDZENIE RADY MINISTRÓW z dnia 26 czerwca 2017 r. w sprawie utworzenia w województwie śląskim związku metropolitalnego pod nazwą „Górnośląsko-Zagłębiowska Metropolia” Na podstawie art. 4 ust. 1 pkt 1 ustawy z dnia 9 marca 2017 r. o związku metropolitalnym w województwie śląskim (Dz. U. poz. 730) zarządza się, co następuje:

§ 1. W województwie śląskim tworzy się związek metropolitalny pod nazwą „Górnośląsko-Zagłębiowska Metropolia”.

§ 2. Siedzibą władz związku metropolitalnego „Górnośląsko-Zagłębiowska Metropolia” są Katowice.

§ 3. Obszar i granice związku metropolitalnego „Górnośląsko-Zagłębiowska Metropolia” obejmują gminy – miasta na prawach powiatu: Bytom, Chorzów, Dąbrowa Górnicza, Gliwice, Katowice, Mysłowice, Piekary Śląskie, Ruda Śląska, Siemianowice Śląskie, Sosnowiec, Świętochłowice, Tychy i Zabrze, gminy o statusie miasta: Będzin, Bieruń, Czeladź, Imielin, Knurów, Lędziny, Łaziska Górne, Mikołów, Pyskowice, Radzionków, Sławków, Tarnowskie Góry i Wojkowice oraz gminy: Bobrowniki, Bojszowy, Chełm Śląski, Gierałtowice, Kobiór, Mierzęcice, Ożarowice, Pilchowice, Psary, Rudziniec, Siewierz, Sośnicowice, Świerklaniec, Wyry i Zbrosławice.

§ 4. Rozporządzenie wchodzi w życie z dniem 1 lipca 2017 r. Prezes Rady Ministrów: B. Szydło

Sosnowiec is part of Silesian Metropolis per above. Full stop! Poeticbent talk 05:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sosnowiec isn't part of silesian metropolis as both parliamentary [1] and government [2] bills don't call new association 'silesian' at any point and this is actually point of new regulation which is even stated in articles on pl.wiki: [3] [4] [5].--83.29.46.96 (talk) 14:12, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The original name was "Górnośląski Związek Metropolitalny" (Metropolitan Association of Upper Silesia). The new name (1 Jul 2017) is związek metropolitalny "Górnośląsko-Zagłębiowska Metropolia" (Metropolitan Association of Upper Silesia and Dąbrowa Basin). The element added was "Zagłębiowska" (Dąbrowa Basin). See the full text of the bill (quoted in Polish, above). Poeticbent talk 16:12, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't change the fact that 'silesian' association was removed and new one was created to solve problem of improper name which is even presented on pl.wiki, and exactly arguments given there are also arguments why Sosnowiec can't be named part of 'silesian' association or metropoly. --83.10.5.144 (talk) 18:05, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So 'silesian' association has been dismantled as you can see here: [6] and you simply lie because you don't even quote whole regulation.--83.10.5.144 (talk) 21:46, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: this seems driven by the different implications of words in English and in Polish, and the different connotation that the names might have to some (many?) Poles, but not to most English speakers. This, and things like it, are an unalterable effect of translation, not a sign of misconduct. Attempting to eliminate them by edit warring, though, is both a hopeless task and a violation of Wiki policy, and I don't think it is User:Poeticbent who is to blame for this. Anmccaff (talk) 00:24, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This definately isn't just some linguistic problem which is actually clearly visible in source cited above: [7] which clearly names two associations as separate entities and based on the fact that new association is based on different laws and regulations and name of former 'silesian' association was actually an issue brought up while processing new regulations. All of this is included in articles on pl.wiki (with sources) and User:Poeticbent declaring on own user page polish language as native speaker and engaging so much into this topic could obviously trivially get to know facts and should actually know that, and most likely actually knows that, and this clearly shows User:Poeticbent is really the one to be blamed.--83.10.5.144 (talk) 00:58, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In most varieties of English, the metropolitan reach of a city, what constitutes "Greater Boston", say, is defined by popular usage, not government fiat, and such names do not always align with borders. Anmccaff (talk) 01:52, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And you, not knowing polish language, most likely don't know that what's called here on en.wiki 'silesian' metropolis is purely governmental thing, and that issue is actually noted in articles on pl.wiki.--83.10.5.144 (talk) 16:23, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

— Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and you, 83.10.5.144 (talk · contribs), are unable to contend with the fact that there's no other way of saying it in the English language: "Górnośląski" means "Upper Silesian", period. Silesian is in the English name of the metropolis. This has nothing to do (!) with the Polish name © Metropolia "Silesia" 2014. According to newspaper article by Małgorzata Mańka-Szulik, president of GZM, whom you quote ... apparently without full comprehension of your own mother tongue, the "Górnośląski Związek Metropolitalny" was replaced by the związek metropolitalny "Górnośląsko-Zagłębiowska Metropolia". The element added was "Zagłębiowska" (Dąbrowa Basin). The difference is NOT where you think it is. There's no mistake in the English Wikipedia. Sorry, Poeticbent talk 18:35, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is NOT about language. This 'metropolis', if you want to call it this way, isn't silesian which was actually brought up as an issue during preparing new regulations and sources showing this are in articles on pl.wiki: [8] [9] referred above. This and the way this has been solved (which you can see in sources present on pl.wiki) and the fact that article on en.wiki is about formal organization based on specific regulations which is now nonexistent and new association is different organization based on DIFFERENT regulations shows you can't place this edit you've actually made in article about Sosnowiec. This article: [10] actually directly says aim of former association was creating 'metropoly' and this only happened with new regulation. I demand taking down blockade and/or reverting your last edit: [11] --83.10.5.144 (talk) 22:21, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please note, we do not discriminate against learning disabilities. Instead, we engage in the conversation with you. However, this is not a free licence to abuse others as you did in several places at once on 25 January 2018.[12][13] Your blocking period will likely extend much further if you continue. You, 83.10.5.144 (talk · contribs) (aside from IP hopping which, by itself, is actionable), quote just ONE newspaper article 4 times here already (per above). Please read it again; including the second, and the last sentence (quoted here word-for-word in Polish with the English translation for you): "GZM, po stworzeniu warunków do zainicjowania działalności Górnośląsko-Zagłębiowskiej Metropolii, w naturalny sposób kończy swoje funkcjonowanie. – Informuję jednocześnie, że od dnia 31 grudnia 2017 roku wszelkie prawa i obowiązki GZM zostają przeniesione na Górnośląsko-Zagłębiowską Metropolię." Translation: "The Metropolitan Association of Upper Silesia (GZM), after creating the conditions necessary for the initiation of the metropolitan association: Upper Silesia and Dąbrowa Basin Metropolis ends its tenure. – We inform at the same time, that as of 31 December 2017, all rights and obligations of GZM are transferred to the Upper Silesia and Dąbrowa Basin Metropolis."[14][15] There's no mistake in the English Wikipedia. Stop waging war in your head, please. Poeticbent talk 04:27, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Using "conurbation" occasionally might eliminate the false friend problem here. Anmccaff (talk) 18:41, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]