Talk:Silver Surfer

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Edit-warring anon IP

As I have noted on the talk page for of anon IP 2a02:c7d:2542:a200:f9a9:57b6:f0fe:e0f1, who is edit-warring rather than following WP:BRD after he was reverted the first time: "The infobox must match the article content. The WP:LEAD reads: "The character was created by Jack Kirby and first appeared in the comic book Fantastic Four #48, published in 1966." Please refrain form edit-warring to add something to the infobox that is not factually supported by the article text, and discuss the issue on the article's talk page." --Tenebrae (talk) 22:18, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

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Sincerely, The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 21:52, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Silver server as the inspiration for the Silver Surfer.

The Silver Surfer's name is close to "silver server", and he kind of looks a bit like a silver teapot on a silver tray. Could this be part of the inspiration for the character and/or his name, whether as a joke or not? Polar Apposite (talk) 19:15, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

That's... very unlikely. Argento Surfer (talk) 19:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Why? Polar Apposite (talk) 09:18, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

The creation of the character is very well documented, and not disputed by any of the participants involved. None of them have ever mentioned serving trays. He's on a surfboard because Jack Kirby was tired of drawing spaceships, not for a pun. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:44, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

The Silver Surfer's origin is in alien astronomy (an allusion to "gastronomy"?) and his role was to provide ("serve up" one could say) planets (an allusion to "plates"?) to an alien ruler. This ties in with the Silver Surfer's name and appearance. Certainly it could be a coincidence. But if so, it is a remarkable one, and perhaps therefore deserves comment in the article, if only to say that there is no evidence that the pun was deliberate. But it is in the nature of puns to have the ability to be used cryptically, that is to say, with plausible denial. http://www.comicbookreligion.com/?c=9947&Silver_Server shows that I'm not the only one to notice that the origin story of the Silver Surfer seems to tie in with the "silver server" idea/pun. Polar Apposite (talk) 10:59, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

There is no need for the article to mention the possibility of a pun, then say there's no evidence that it's relevant. That would be original research, which is not acceptable in an article. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

There's no need to do original research, since people e.g. http://www.comicbookreligion.com/?c=9947&Silver_Server are already saying there is a pun. All that would be needed would be document the existence of that page and any other existing discussion in the media or academia about a possible pun. Polar Apposite (talk) 21:08, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

People seeing a pun is not evidence of it being intended. Comic Book Religion is not a reliable source., and even if it was, it's covering a satire of the Silver Surfer, not the Silver Surfer directly. What you proposed, Could this be part of the inspiration for the character, isn't supported by the link or the spoof and would be original research as Wikipedia uses the term. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

That image is coming from Megaton Man, where Don Simpson will have parodied several other heroes as well. Should commentary of the same spoof be added to Galactus regarding the name Gluttonous? Should we add commentary that Wolverine has been viewed as "the Most Useless X-Man" because Pete Holmes spoofed that? No to both questions, and I concur with Argento Surfer that this addition does not add any encyclopedic value. 2pou (talk) 13:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not saying any of the things you mentioned should be in Wikipedia, but I've seen in a lot of Wikipedia articles a section called "In popular culture" where that sort of information does get included. I don't see why it should *not* be included. I guess it depends on whether Don Simpson's spoof of Galactus is notable. Polar Apposite (talk) 20:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

An "in pop culture" section would be redundant here, as Silver Surfer is popular culture. Argento Surfer (talk) 10:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

If there's no published information suggesting that the Silver Surfer's name and look and origin story are deliberate rather than a remarkable coincidence, then I guess to speculate that they are not a coincidence would be original research. Is there really no published information on this? It seems surprising. Anyway, the fact that a "pun" has been commented on repeatedly is interesting in itself, and important, so I would have thought that would warrant some mention of it in the article. "Pun" seems an understatement, as it's a pun, and an appearance that matches the pun, and an origin story that matches the pun. It's more like a whole other interpretation or aspect of the Silver Surfer character. I think in an article about Gandalf the Grey, one could reasonably comment that some people have drawn a parallel with the Christian religion's Jesus due to how Gandalf descends to an underworld for three days, after an apparent death, but returns to the world of the living, in somewhat miraculous-looking way. The analogous (though less lofty, and more comedic) allusion to a "silver server" seemingly contained in the name, look, and origin of the Silver Surfer whether provable or not is so important that it should be mentioned, in my opinion. Polar Apposite (talk) 20:42, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Is there really no published information on this? I have never seen any, and I don't find this compelling enough to look for any. Neither Stan Lee nor Jack Kirby ever alluded to this pun despite when discussing the creation of the character. Even if there exists a reliable source raising the possibility, I see no value in adding such speculation from uninvolved parties. Argento Surfer (talk) 10:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

MCU Special Presentation

Lately there’s been talk from reliable sources like Comic Book Resources that there’s a Silver Surfer “Special Presentation” set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It’s already listed in the Wikipedia article here. Should it be put in the television section or is it too early? 0Detail-Attention215 (talk) 21:54, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

MCU

I think Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel was being racist in the edit summary, in the revision history of this page. In mentioning how to report on the Shalla-Bal incarnation of the Silver Surfer appearing in the MCU soon, they used the "Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Miles Morales is Miles Morales." dog whistle as an argument, non-ironically. MaXXXine (talk) 23:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Here's the situation. The name "Silver Surfer" is synonymous with Norrin Radd, just like the name "Spider-Man" is with Peter Parker." Therefore, the article about the Silver Surfer is about Norrin Radd, and the article about Spider-Man is about Peter Parker. As a result, something about Shalla-Ball, such as a portrayor, should not be in the Silver Surfer article, but in the Shalla-Bal article, like portrayors of Miles Morales should be in the Miles Morales article, not the Spider-Man article. Your accusation is stupid. Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk) 23:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)