Talk:Siege of Pelium

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Did you know... that in the Macedonian Siege of Pelium, Alexander the Great managed to secure his line of retreat without a single reported death?

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The article talks about a Macedonian victory, it does not mention any "Hellenic" victory.

@Hazel Pined 97: carefully read WP:RS and WP:OR before editing again. Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:28, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vujčić and other issues

This comment by Vujčić in his book "Alexander's first attempt to siege Pelion failed and the Macedonians were forced by Illyrians to retreat on the other side of the river, which thus far could have been interpreted as a sort of Illyrian victory." makes no sense. Alexander had changed positions many times in his battles and sieges and it did not constitute or led to any kind of victory for the opponent. Nor do we add such comments in all battles fought as it would create confusion. Also dumping the text excerpt at that location creates a mess, and part of it if it is to be used should be in am article paragraph and not in a box. It makes no sense even as meaning. There is no first attempt at siege, the siege begins and concludes with victory or defeat. This siege lasted a few days. This was just a maneuver that allowed him to maintain an advantageous position with no vulnerabilities as the article states.

  Also in the article we have Dodge, 206 "The Macedonian forces took the heights overlooking Pelium. During this engagement, not a single Macedonian armored soldier was killed. However, deaths among light troops were usually not reported, and it is unknown whether any were killed in this instance."

but in the box it writes that Alexander's army had 2,000 casualties.

Did he have zero, or two-thousand?

  And in another article that he was also injured, but its missing in this one. See Battle_of_Thebes Dodge, Theodore Ayrault (1890). Alexander: A History of the Origin and Growth of the Art of War from the Earliest Times to the Battle of Ipsus, B.C. 301, with a Detailed Account of the Campaigns of the Great Macedonian. ISBN 9781105602504.

  In addition, the article states "He was outnumbered by the Illyrians" but gives the numbers 23,000 vs 7,000 in the box.

Was he outnumbered? Or not?

The article has many contradictions and must be read and rechecked. 2A02:587:5456:E000:E07E:D106:4A21:7F24 (talk) 22:27, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]