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with a blood-alcohol level over three times the legal driving limit
This parenthetical needs to be removed as undue and irrelevant.
First off, it leaves out important language from the source it is quoting. The source actually says the BAC "would have been more than three times the legal limit to drive."
Which brings me to my second point. This is an interaction between an innocent hotel patron and police. By leaving out those key words and including the irrelevant information in the the parenthetical the article is insinuating that Shaver had done something wrong. I'm sure his BAC was over the legal limit to fly an airplane or operate a forklift, as well as many other activities.
In short, keeping a reference to an activity that he was not involved with that WOULD HAVE been illegal had he done so, juxtaposed with him losing his life in an unjustified police shooting (as supported by the grand jury indictment) is clearly an attempt to bring in irrelevant criticism that gives undue weight to a potential crime the victim was never accused of committing. Leaving the reference in also violates NPOV as it is clearly trying to bolster the "pro" police narrative that Shaver was somehow complicit in his own death because he had a few drinks in his hotel room with friends, which would have been illegal had he been driving, which he was not. 208.125.143.178 (talk) 14:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
When reporting on fatal incidents where alcohol was involved, it's standard practice for the media to cite the local alcohol-driving limit as a kind of "gold standard" or context for the deceased person's level of intoxication – regardless of whether the deceased was actually driving a vehicle or not, regardless of whose "fault" it may have been. (Cf. this news article about the drowning death of singer Dolores O'Riordan.) The coroner's report noted "elevated levels of ethanol... of 0.29g%", which would probably be meaningless to the average reader. The claim that Shaver's intoxication may have impaired his judgement and/or his ability to follow police instructions is attributed here to the police, whether or not you agree with them on that point. Muzilon (talk) 22:13, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Agree with all of it. It seems a desperate attempt to criticize the victim considering the cop got away with it. In that context it seems they try to make Daniel Shaver responsable for his own death when the footage proves Philip Brailsford malpractice, lack of training and immaturity. 83.34.117.121 (talk) 00:54, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
