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It's more or less a scholar's educated guess, so I've added an inline citation.
The first sentence might be read as Rashid al-Din having authored both sources. Also, I think you can drop the "Hamadani", which I've never seen in scholarship before and is probably just there for article title's disambiguation
Fixed both
Most readers won't know who Temüjin is; a "(later "Genghis Kahn)" might be beneficial. It would be good to introduce him too, i.e. "the Mongol Leader Temüjin"
Done both
Don't know that jerkin is common enough to not have a link
Done.
What does "in the chronicles" mean—The Secret History? Or something else? Since these stories are somewhat anecdotal, the specific source might be helpful
Clarified, after some searching.
Under Genghis
For the Yuán Shǐ you have tones but not for the Shengwu qinzheng lu—would keep it consistent either way
Can't remember what it would be for the SQZL, so removed.
"As a leading Mongol scholar and official, Shigi Qutuqu was appointed in 1234 to the position of chief jarghuchi in Northern China" — so does this mean he was based in Northern China now?
It's implied by the sources and RS but not fully certain.
"while other sources blame ..." seems to vague. Are these other contemporary accounts like Xu Ting or later chronicles or something?
Hsu T'ing's "Hei-ta shih lueh", yes. I couldn't find a relevant article, so I didn't specify. Included a redlink now—feel free to change it if you think something else more suitable.
I'm not sure this makes sense. I believe Hsu T'ing is simply the Wade-Giles transliteration of Xu Ting. You might have the same person twice here? Aza24 (talk)03:28, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, you're completely right, I have no clue why I wrote that. Corrected to who actually wrote that.
Assuming no, but we don't know anything more specific than "he probably returned to Mongolia"—like to the capital or something?
Changed to Karakorum, as that's where the kurultai was held—would be odd if he returned to another part of Mongolia.
"Shigi Qutuqu survived the new khagan, Möngke ..." makes it sounds like Möngke was killing people that threatened his power or something—assuming you just mean that he survived at least until he began reigning?
A little bit of both—many prominent followers of Ogedei were purged/impoverished following Möngke's accession, as the election was contested; but also SQ did just outlive him.
Legacy
This feels like it should be a subheading level 2 and not a part of the biography
I just saw that both those pages define themselves as periods of European history, so I've gone for Post-classical history, which, incidentally, we both peer reviewed a while back.
I'm a bit confused by the line "He was remembered, under the name Siri Qutuq, as a high-ranking companion of Genghis Khan until the late Middle Ages."—what was he remembered for after this? Or was he forgotten?
Hopefully clarified, and I believe yes, he was eventually forgotten with the passing time
The "Not only was ..."—sentence is rather long and hard to parse—could it be split or consolidated?
Split.
General
In general, basic information on the art included is always helpful for readers. Particularly, it's nice to know if the depictions are contemporaneous with their subjects or not
Done to my satisfaction; let me know if anything could be improved.
I see his son is mentioned in the legacy—are there any other known offspring that can be mentioned in the bio?
It's looking great! I think there are just two points remaining (which I've responded to above)—the birth year and Xu/H'su Ting matter – Aza24 (talk)03:29, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Pardon my ignorance, please; I’m not sure what you’re asking. Do you mean does the song refer to Shihi Qutuqu? Or a reference? The lyrics of the song (I can only use the official translation, because Mongolian tongue is not one of my languages.) say Shihi Hutu (their spelling) was chif justice of the Khamag Mongol. The lyrics further say he was a converted Tatar from the steppe, which jibes (in my mind) with his early life and having been taken from his tribe.
I am not trying to be obtuse, I just wanted to add this. I originally looked up Shigi Quhutu because of the song, so I thought it might fit in the article. SmokeyShyla (talk) 13:44, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Reviewing... PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 18:17, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Good article. ALT0 and ALT2 are good. Erring on the side of caution with ALT1 because it's too negative. PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 17:35, 4 June 2023 (UTC)