Talk:Shahid Khan

Birth year?

There are some inconsistencies in his birth year. Articles on the Rams purchase say that he was 55 at the time of the purchase in 2010. He graduated Illinois in 1971. If you assume that most people are 21 when they graduate college that would imply he was born in 1950 (but a wild card is that he was 16 when he came to the U.S. and some articles imply he went directly to U of I). One of the sources says he bought Bumper Works in 1978 at age 28 -- that would again imply 1950). I did see one reference saying he is older. But since we don't know the birth date I'm going to stick with logic and change the date to c. 1950 (e.g., 59 or 60 at the time of the purchase) even though that flies in the face of most media coverage. Americasroof (talk) 23:51, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

But he started college at age 16, whereas most people start at 18, if that makes any difference. 76.106.149.108 (talk) 23:57, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

First Ethnic Minority Owner?

The Wikipedia page for Jews refers to Jewish "ethnicity" and Jews seem to meet all 6 requirements of an ethnic minority listed on the Minority Group page. There are Jewish NFL owners who predate Mr. Khan's purchase of the Jacksonville Jaguars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.157.76 (talk) 03:04, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Good point. I've changed that sentence to reflect this. Cgingold (talk) 03:47, 29 October 2012 (UTC) P.S. - I suspect that he may well be the first Muslim to own an NFL team, but I have no info on that point. Cgingold (talk) 03:50, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Improper removal of sourced info re Flex-n-Gate

I want to make note of the fact that valid sourced info about an OSHA fine at Flex-n-Gate has been improperly removed on at least 2 occasions (September 17, 2012‎ and October 28, 2012), both times in one-time-only edits by anonymous IP users. I have no way of knowing whether it was the same individual, or whether he/they were connected with that company in some way. Regardless, such editing smacks of an effort to "cleanse" the article of unfavorable info - and will not be countenanced. The sentence in question has been restored to the article and should not be removed without a valid explanation. Cgingold (talk) 04:41, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, here we go again. This time the sentence was deleted within hours of being restored -- by yet another anonymous IP -- supposedly because it's "irrelevant". Given the pattern of deletions, I am going to suggest that this article is now being watched by management of said company who are probably keeping an eye on it in order to expeditiously removed unflattering info. If you wish to delete the sentence in question you're going to have to make a persuasive case for doing so. How is this info about an OSHA fine any less "relevant" than the other sorts of info that are included in the section? Cgingold (talk) 10:05, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not the IP mentioned, and have no relation to Khan, but I was struck by how incongruous this info is. A one time fine of $57K against a company with $2B in annual revenue does not belong in an article about the company's owner. Was Khan personally responsible? Are there additional examples of his callous treatment of employees? Without additional context, this inclusion seems like a hatchet job. GreatCaesarsGhost (talk) 14:35, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Sigh, soccer/football

Okay, we're going to need to hammer out what to call Fulham in this article. Khan is American, and the the WP:TIES guideline recommends American forms be WP:TIES. Additionally, considering that Khan also owns an American football team, calling Fulham a "football club" will confuse readers. I expect this is going to be a recurring issue.--Cúchullain ^t/c 21:27, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm fine with going with soccer but I would like to point there are a number of people who own both NFL and EPL teams. It might be wise to see how this issue is handled on those pages before settling on a certain style for this page. DragonFury (talk) 23:31, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

There are two: Malcolm Glazier (Tampa Bay Buccaneers/Man U) uses "soccer", while Stan Kroenke (St. Louis Rams/Arsenal) vacillates between "soccer" and "football" (which just makes it worse and should be avoided).--Cúchullain ^t/c 23:55, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

You should use the official name for the sport, which is football. I wouldn't want to see a British owner of an NFL team be described such as, "Paul Smith bought the American Football team Dakota Diamonds", which is how it would be if we decided to use the term that is local to the person.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Samspade79 (talk • contribs)

The official name for American football is football as well. You can't call them both football, that's too confusing. Since this article is about an American person, the American naming convention should be used which is football for the NFL team and soccer for the EPL team. DragonFury (talk) 19:49, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Avoiding confusion among readers trumps fixating on "official" names, especially when the "official" name is just a regional difference in terminology. We have an American owner who now has two teams playing sports "officially" called football in their respective countries; distinguishing them is necessary. For the record, yes we should call the American sport "American football" in instances where it's confusing in this or any article (though I don't see that being an issue here yet). The term "soccer" may annoy some British readers, but it's unambiguous, and is the standard name in American English.--Cúchullain ^t/c 21:11, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Seems this is coming back up - again, we can't use "football" for both sports, as it's confusing. As Khan owns teams playing two different kinds of "football" we need to distinguish them. This is an article about an American, so it uses American English, where "soccer" is standard, and it's not ambiguous or confusing for readers from other countries.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:46, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Currency

Please could someone remove the GBP to USD conversion for the reported purchase price of Fulham F.C. As Pound Sterling is one of the World's major currencies such a conversion is unnecessary, and is against MoS Thanks GeoffreySuchart (talk) 06:06, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

 Done JMHamo (talk) 11:38, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Chrome Craft Corp.

While speaking of the OSHA violations at Flex-n-Gate former workers at a shuttered Chrome Craft Corporation plant in Highland Park are charging that the plant likely contaminated an adjacent neighborhood and possibly some urban farms in the area with a highly toxic carcinogen. The major hazard is hexavalent chromium -- the same substance that contaminated tiny Hinckley, Calif., in an environmental case Erin Brockovich made famous. It was used to coat bumpers at the plant. The plant, called Chrome Craft, has been cited over the past 20 years for 39 violations of city, state and federal laws regarding its discharges into Detroit sewers, its lack of a permit to store hazardous waste, improper storage of waste and failure to train workers, according to documents obtained by the UAW under the Freedom of Information Act. The NAACP, the UAW, environmental groups and workers are asking the state's Department of Environmental Quality to investigate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.177.108.115 (talk) 21:10, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Background

Regarding this summary, it is a frivolous removal and the reason provided is weak. Khan migrated to the U.S. as a Pakistani immigrant, and did not become a citizen until 26 years later. Most reliable coverage on Khan has extensively focused on his background, as his story is considered a special case (eg. Forbes, Tribune, 60 Minutes etc.). It is therefore fitting and appropriate to mention Khan's background in accordance with sources; as he is Pakistan-born, and also a migrant, he is by definition a Pakistani American. If he was American-born, then perhaps the relevance of his background could be argued. Most other articles on American figures born overseas or of foreign descent usually follow the same hyphenated convention, so this article is no exception. Unless there is a strong policy-based argument contradicting the above mentioned reliable coverage, please don't edit war over this. Mar4d (talk) 14:12, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Edit request

In the beginning line, please change Pakistani-American to American. In the infobox change Nationality and Citizenship to American and United States respectively. Optionally you can also add originally from Pakistan or of Pakistani origin in the end of beginning line.

Reason: According to MOS:OPENPARAGRAPH this change should be made (Please read it). Forbes also mentions him as an American instead of Pakistani-American in its billionaires list. He's from Pakistani background not Pakistani-American. Early life section already contains info about his background so Pakistani-American should be removed per Wikipedia guidelines.--139.190.118.184 (talk) 12:03, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey. If he was an American born citizen, I think that would've made sense. However, as we know, he was actually born in Pakistan and entered the U.S. as a migrant. He did not even have U.S. citizenship until later in 1999. We generally have a precedent with other articles on how to describe him, and that would be Pakistani-American (which is the same as "Pakistani-born American" but technically correct and accurate as a term). Mar4d (talk) 19:40, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

We should follow MOS:OPENPARAGRAPH and according to it this change should be made. Please read it.--139.190.118.184 (talk) 05:12, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm afraid I have to agree with Mar4d here and decline this request. Originally, Khan was from Pakistan, which means he still holds citizenship in Pakistan as well. By removing the statement that Khan is Pakistani, it also removes valid sources that talk about his origins. MOS:OPENPARAGRAPH talks about citizenship, indeed, but we also have to note where dual citizenship exists. Unless Khan explicitly stated himself that he was renouncing his Pakistan citizenship, then the change would be made, but for the time being, it cannot. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 20:35, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Nationality/Citizenship

Shahid Khan is in United States since 60s and an American since 90s. He's not Pakistani-American, he's just American. I made a request as an IP before creating an account to change it per MOS:OPENPARAGRAPH but it was rejected because his citizenship is also Pakistani. Here's a source, Forbes says his citizenship is American. I have now removed Pakistani-American from the article. If you want to add it, please discuss it here first and invite other users also.--47rx374rgx36 (talk) 06:54, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

I've had to revert your change, please see the above section where it has been explained in detail and seconded. I would suggest that you not make further changes without WP:CONSENSUS. The definition "Pakistani-American" is clear enough and supported by WP:RS, given he is a Pakistani immigrant. Also, I'm not sure what you are trying to imply from Forbes, of course he's American (when did anyone deny that?) In fact, your source begins with the following, which is a qualifier in itself: Shahid Khan arrived in the United States from Pakistan at age 16 with just $500 in his pocket.. Your comment "He's not Pakistani-American, he's just American" also seems to not make much sense (a Pakistani-American, FYI, is any American individual who has Pakistani origin, and Khan belongs to that definition). Mar4d (talk) 16:36, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

As far as MOS:OPENPARAGRAPH goes, may I also point to the following: Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability. In Khan's case of course, the latter quite obviously being true and notable. Mar4d (talk) 16:40, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Married in 1981 vs Married in 1977 + Shahid's other child (and Tony Khan's sister) is mentioned in a New York Times article from 2015.

I have seen both 1977 and 1981 as the year when Shahid married Ann Carlson Khan (Married Biography lists Ann being born on October 21st 1954 in Park Ridge, Illinois). The websites listing 1981 lists January 28th 1981 as the full date that their marriage took place whereas the websites listing 1977 as the marriage year simply say 1977 as the marriage year.

Their daughter, Shanna Noelle McCabe (Née Khan) would be 33 currently (and could be turning 34 depending when birthday is in relation to her wedding day in 2021 according to an 2015 New York article which talks about an 28 old Shanna marrying Justin Charles McCabe in April 2015 but doesn't list a DOB for Shanna though it does mention Fulham football club and the Jacksonville Jaguars being owned by her father. - 2A02:C7F:C283:C100:8506:C6F6:4A0:37 (talk) 12:30, 5 January 2021 (UTC)