Talk:Seth Burkett

"Cup match against Palmeiras" / 0-4

Typical substandard overseas reporting about Brazilian football. It possibly was a sub-18 Copa São Paulo de Futebol Júnior 2010 0-5 defeat match vs. SE Palmeiras (SP) on 7 Jan 2010. The A-teams of Sorriso and Palmeiras-SP never met 2009/2010. Otherwise there would be Palmeiras EC of the state capital Cuiabá. Else, his time with the club was about experiences rather than sporting success, one would say. OAlexander (talk) 15:45, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Var. Edits

• Defender vs Left Defender: Burkett only had to play left defender in Brazil. He did not like it. See Ref Burkett:"My Year in Brazil."
• Stamford AFC plays in the seventh tier of English league football. See article for club
• Burkett was scouted on a tournament in Salvador da Bahia in the northeast See Ref Burkett:"My Year in Brazil,"
• Altogether he ended up playing fifteen minutes in a pre-season friendly for the A-team of Sorriso. After the end of his contract, in May 2010, Burkett had contract negotiations with another Brazilian club side, Taboão. => The content in italics is correct, see Ref Burkett:"My Year in Brazil"
• Copa São Paulo de Futebol Júnior in São Carlos is a renown tournament in Brazil.

OAlexander (talk) 13:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

In response:

• That ref says he played as a left defender, does it not?
• The standard piping would be [[Stamford A.F.C.|Stamford]] and we do not usually include the tier that the club plays at
• Everything else requires a reference, and saying a tournament is "renowned" is WP:POV. GiantSnowman 13:31, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• That ref says he played as a left defender, does it not? - Only in Brazil, not in England. See Ref Burkett:"My Year in Brazil"

Burkett was scouted on a tournament in Salvador da Bahia in the northeast See Ref Burkett:"My Year in Brazil,"

and we do not usually include the tier that the club plays at => But it is not illegal isn't it. You wanted fifth division side in Brazil.

Everything else is references by the given references under referecnes.

Your contribution to the article's content remains nil, nada and zilch, as I see. OAlexander (talk) 13:40, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• So a reference says he plays as a left defender, and you don't want him listed as a left defender? Wrong. I didn't want anything to do with "fifth division side", I was simply reverting your unexplained removal of content. Anything/everything else needs to be cited directly. Oh, and seeing as I created this article from scratch and got it onto the main page through DYK I think my contribution is a little bit more than "nil, nada and zilch." GiantSnowman 13:46, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• When the player himself says "All of my best performances came when I was playing in a back four rather than as a wing back," then probably left defender ist not what he wants to play or can play best. Also on the Stamford side he was only listed as defender. He should imho therefore not unnecessarily classified as left defender thus.
• I don't see any harm of mentioning, that São Carlos is located in the interior of the state of São Paulo; it rather helps the reader, which is my opinion. Kind of like "Albany, NY," which is common.
• He was taken to the youth tournament in S.C. as substitute, which is noteworthy, and referenced. He did not play there.
• Links require updating:
  • https://web.archive.org/web/20120423024529/http://www.stamfordafc.net/squad-profiles/seth-burkett
  • http://lesrosbifs.org/seth-burkett-my-year-in-brazil/
• I don't see any harm, advising the reader in the intro, that Stamford is a seventh tier club in England. It is a service to the reader.
• If I call a tournament "renown," then I do this to emphasize, that it has some importance on the Brazilian football calendar, not as POV. I do this from a substantial knowledge of Braz-Soccer.

From the referenced article: "I was a substitute in all three matches.". "Back four" does not indicate he is a left defender; defender alone should be suitable enough and does not provide unnecessary, disputable detail. There seemed no point responding on the discussion pages, as wholesale content removal was the consequence anyway. Many article commence with "who plays as a defender for English Premier League club ..." or so. I a case like this one could say "lower tears of the English league system" to give the reader an indication. Those links above are the replacement links. With "renown" you are technically right - we will have to indicate that this is a notable tournament in a different way. You started the uncompromising removal process, and your style of discussion was never suited to lead to any amenable outcome. Your application of "reliable sources," as you wished to emphasise, was without broader analysis of the subject matter. The "reliable sources" were demonstrably incorrect. OAlexander (talk) 15:59, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

@OAlexander:, please take a look at my most recent edit, to see if that is an acceptable compromise. GiantSnowman 16:20, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman:: Would this be ok with you? Else, shake hands, life goes on, brotherly love sets in, new great adventures are awaiting. Cheers, OAlexander (talk) 17:06, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

@OAlexander: yes, good enough for me :) GiantSnowman 17:50, 13 March 2014 (UTC)