Talk:Sandy Silver

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Silver's cabinet: gender balanced or not?

The line that Silver "appointed the territory's second-ever gender-balanced cabinet" was recently removed, on the grounds that it was technically inaccurate— Silver's cabinet is seven people, so equal numbers is mathematically impossible! To account for the objection, I re-added the sentiment with different phrasing ("Of the other six members named to cabinet, three were women, leading it to be described as gender-balanced."), which I thought was reasonable and supported, but it was removed once more as "promoting inaccuracies". So OK, rather than get into an edit war, let's lay it out:

One: the first minister is often not counted when talking about cabinet composition. Justin Trudeau's inaugural cabinet was widely described as "gender balanced" because it included 15 men and 15 women, even though it was actually a 31-member cabinet when counting Trudeau himself (and therefore had 16 men). [1] The same is true of John Horgan in BC: 23 members, but the 22 aside from him are split evenly between men and women. [2]
Two: Sandy Silver specifically referred to his cabinet as "gender balanced": Silver tweeted about his brief meeting with Trudeau on Thursday, saying "thank you for the meeting. We agree, a gender balanced cabinet is key." [3] [4]
Three: The cabinet has been described as gender balanced by other sources: With the premier and six ministers, the new Yukon Liberal government cabinet is relatively small, but it is also rather diverse, with equal numbers men and women … [5]

Therefore, I think it is reasonable to make mention that Silver's inaugral cabinet had a high number of women, and was described as "gender-balanced". The objection that parity is mathematically impossible in a 7-person cabinet is missing the forest for the trees. The motivations behind, and reactions to, cabinet are relevant, and noting that is not in any way "promoting inaccuracies." — Kawnhr (talk) 21:50, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're correct, the Prime Minister or Premier, even if he's assigned himself a ministry alongside the leadership, is not considered a "cabinet member". Yes, he's the head of the executive council, but the term "cabinet member" refers to the people under him, and does not include him. By the same token, Donald Trump has a cabinet in the United States as well, but he is not a member of it — "cabinet" refers to people who are answerable to him, and does not include him. So no, the fact that the premier is male does not change the gender-balance status of the cabinet, because the premier is not a cabinet member. Bearcat (talk) 22:25, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect. The Premier is a member of the Executive Council (cabinet) as described in the Legislative Assembly Act^[1]. The Premier is further listed as a member of the cabinet on the government website. ^[2]199.247.128.35 (talk) 22:31, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] ttp://www.gov.yk.ca/legislation/acts/leas_c.pdf

[2] ttp://www.yukonpremier.ca/premiersteam.html

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