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The article needs to tell what their native tongue IS.

Gringo300 08:00, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"For the Salar, divorce is a very easy procedure, although it can only be requested by the husband. In order to dissolve the marriage, the man only has to tell his wife that he no longer wishes to remain married to her. The woman abandons the conjugal residence and he remains free to be married again." w

no where in islam is this allowed, there has to be an intention which is 3 pronouncements, followed by one month where the women must remain in the house, followed by consultatin with the families to try and resolve the difficulties. If divorce does happen, the man is liable to provide for the wife and children, and he forfeits the initial mahar that was agreed on the marriage.

I've put a request for a source. However, it should be pointed out that what Islam states need not be the behavior of its adherents. It simply cannot be an argument used on a site like Wikipedia - unless the article is about Islam. Beetle B. 22:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 16:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I am Vikrant Salar

Hi, In India,also Salar Sirname people also living in the state -Uttaranchal of india,district-Haridwar,Village -Thithki kavadpur.

Regards, Vikrant Salar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.91.193.50 (talk) 13:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Where the Salar live

The Salar (pronounced sah'laar) live in Qinghai province, not Gansu. In Xunhua county in Qinghai province there is even an entire Salar town called Jishi. I was told when I was there that the Salar came to China around 800 years ago when the Mongels conquered China. As a reward for assiting the Mongel invasion they were given land in Qinghai to settle.--Discott (talk) 16:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The erroneous information about them living in gansu (kansu) probably came from accounts like Marshall Broomhall's book on Islam in China Kuoofra (talk) 18:49, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, references to Gansu (Kan-su) in books like Broomhall's are not exactly "erroneous", but rather obsolete. In his day, there was no Qinghai Province, and the NE Qinghai (including Xunhua, the Salar country) was part of the Gansu Province. (As was Ningxia, incidentally). Second, there are some Salars on the Gansu side of the modern Qinghai-Gansu provincial border too, in particular in Gansu's Jishishan Bonan, Dongxiang and Salar Autonomous County. As per China's 2000 Census, as shown in zh:撒拉族#撒拉族人口分布, out of 104,503 Salars counted by the census, 87,043 lived in Qinghai, 11,784 in Gansu, 3,762 in Xinjiang, and a couple of thousands throughout the rest of the country. -- Vmenkov (talk) 02:00, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

majority of salars look asian

a banned sockpuppet Greczia has been trying to add pictures of caucasoid looking people onto articles about various turkic peoples, such as the salars and kazakhs, the majority of whom look asian. Most images of salars on wikimedia commons are of asian looking people and only one caucasian looking person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salar_people&diff=507308671&oldid=506358836

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kazakhs&diff=prev&oldid=509055417

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kumyks&diff=prev&oldid=508197549

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkic_peoples&diff=prev&oldid=507879961

There are many pan turnaist or turkish centric forums and nationalists who try to promote their claims that all turkic peoples look caucasian like anatolian Turkish people, while in reality, turkic peoples like kirghiz, kazakhs, tuvans, yakuts, salars, and Yugur look majority asian. Mendsetting (talk) 22:04, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Official chinese exaggeration of the salar's turkic identity

It has been said that the chinese government and scholars have emphasized and blown the salars turkic identity way out of proportion, while marginalizing the tibetan, chinese and other non turkic factors and influences in salar identity and language

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http://books.google.com/books?id=ciShtCrJijIC&pg=PA14#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=MT0VFdKklYoC&pg=PA72#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 19:08, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 14. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

Salars in Ili, Xinjiang

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http://books.google.com/books?id=XtW6cox7CIUC&pg=PA279#v=onepage&q&f=false

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References

^ Boeschoten, Hendrik; Rentzsch, Julian, eds. (2010). Turcology in Mainz. Vol. Volume 82 of Turcologica Series. Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 279. ISBN 978-3447061131. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite book}}: |volume= has extra text (help)
^ Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 77. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.
^ Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 79. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.
^ Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 82. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.
^ Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 86. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.
^ Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 90. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.
^ Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 116. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.
^ Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 212. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

Salar military service

The Salars served as soldiers for the Ming and Qing dynasties.

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http://books.google.com/books?id=ciShtCrJijIC&pg=PA14#v=onepage&q&f=false

Han Bao pledges alleigance to the Ming dynasty

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http://books.google.com/books?id=ciShtCrJijIC&pg=PA9#v=onepage&q&f=false

References

^ Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 14. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.
^ Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 9. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

1781 Jahriyya revolt

Fighting between the Jahriyya and Khafiyya Sufi orders led to a revolt by the Jahriyya, which was heavily dominated by Salars.

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Page 293, 298, 299

http://www.jstor.org/stable/189017?seq=9

http://www.jstor.org/stable/189017?seq=14

http://www.jstor.org/stable/189017?seq=15

Lipman, Jonathan N. (Jul., 1984). "Ethnicity and Politics in Republican China: The Ma Family Warlords of Gansu". Sage Publications, Inc. JSTOR 189017. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Missing or empty |url= (help)

Rajmaan (talk) 02:39, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 20. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.
^ Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 21. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

Sources

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http://no2.mofcom.gov.cn/article/aboutchina/nationality/200903/20090306117655.shtml

Oldest Quran in China

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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/20/content_384056.htm

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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/25/content_813491.htm

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http://www.china.org.cn/english/features/china/203686.htm

18:56, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

References

^ "General introduction to Salar people in China". Global Times. September 27, 2010. Retrieved 1 April 2013.
^ "Literacy course improves the lives of Salar women". China Daily. 2005-01-22 07:12 (01/22/2005). p. 3. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
^ ^{[%5b%5bWikipedia:Link rot|dead link%5d%5d‍]} "Study Chinese – Salar Ethnic Minority". Chinese Lesson. Archived from the original on 1 Sep 2013 16:46:41. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite web}}: Check |archiveurl= value (help); Check date values in: |archivedate= (help)
^ ^{[%5b%5bWikipedia:Link rot|dead link%5d%5d‍]} "Chinese Class – Salar". Learn Chinese Online. 13 January 2009. Archived from the original on 1 Sep 2013 16:46:28. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite web}}: Check |archiveurl= value (help); Check date values in: |archivedate= (help)
^ "Salar Ethnic Minority". Chinese Academy of Social Sciences Institute of Ethnic Literature. Selected from:ChinaCulture.org. Copyright © 2003 ~ 2009. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
^ Shelton, ed. (2007-12-7 14:18:42). "Salar Ethnic Group". GUANGXI TRAVEL ONLINE. Go China Adventure International Travel Service Co. Ltd. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
^ "Chinese Marriage of Salar Ethnic Minority". STudy in China. Retrieved 1 April 2013.
^ Totem Admiration in China's Ethnic Groups. CRIENGLISH.com. 2005-3-1 21:14:17. {{cite AV media}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |trans_title= (help)
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^ "Oldest handwritten Koran needs protection". China Daily. Updated: 2004-10-20 10:29. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
^ "China restores oldest handwritten copy of Quran". China Daily. Xinhua. Updated: 2007-02-25 19:24. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
^ "Basic Facts of Various Ethnic Groups". China.org.cn. China Facts & Figures. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

Salar spoken language vs literary language

The article confuses spoken and literary languages.

In Medieval Europe, people spoke their local languages among themselves such as Italian, French, Castilian, while not writing them down and using them ad literary languages until much later. They wrote in Latin as their literary language.

In the same way, the Salar do not have an alphabet for their own language. They only speak their language orally, and use the Chinese language to write.

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http://traditions.cultural-china.com/en/127Traditions842.html

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04:27, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

The Salar DO have a written language, but 99% of Salar do not use it. For examples of written Salar, see the references in the Salar folklore book as well as the WRITTEN Salar versions of the folklore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.151.31.117 (talk) 23:44, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "The Salar Nationality". cultural-china.com. Cultural China. ©2007-2014. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
^ "China's Minority Peoples - The Salars". cultural-china.com. Cultural China. 2007–2014. Retrieved 1 April 2013.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: date format (link)
^ "The Salar Ethnic Group". cultural-china.com. Cultural China. 2007–2014. Retrieved 1 April 2013.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: date format (link)
^ "Pictures of Ethnic Flavor(4)". cultural-china.com. Cultural China. 2007–2014. Retrieved 1 April 2013.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: date format (link)
^ Guo, Rongxing (2012). Understanding the Chinese Economies. Academic Press. p. 39. ISBN 978-0123978264. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

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[1] Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 14. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[2] Boeschoten, Hendrik; Rentzsch, Julian, eds. (2010). Turcology in Mainz. Vol. Volume 82 of Turcologica Series. Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 279. ISBN 978-3447061131. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite book}}: |volume= has extra text (help)

[3] Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 77. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[4] Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 79. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[5] Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 82. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[6] Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 86. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[7] Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 90. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[8] Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 116. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[9] Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 212. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[10] Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 14. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[11] Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 9. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[12] Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 20. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[13] Dwyer, Arienne M. (2007). Salar: A Study in Inner Asian Language Contact Processes, Part 1 (illustrated ed.). Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. p. 21. ISBN 978-3447040914. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[14] "General introduction to Salar people in China". Global Times. September 27, 2010. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[15] "Literacy course improves the lives of Salar women". China Daily. 2005-01-22 07:12 (01/22/2005). p. 3. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

[16] {[%5b%5bWikipedia:Link rot|dead link%5d%5d‍]} "Study Chinese – Salar Ethnic Minority". Chinese Lesson. Archived from the original on 1 Sep 2013 16:46:41. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite web}}: Check |archiveurl= value (help); Check date values in: |archivedate= (help)

[17] {[%5b%5bWikipedia:Link rot|dead link%5d%5d‍]} "Chinese Class – Salar". Learn Chinese Online. 13 January 2009. Archived from the original on 1 Sep 2013 16:46:28. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite web}}: Check |archiveurl= value (help); Check date values in: |archivedate= (help)

[18] "Salar Ethnic Minority". Chinese Academy of Social Sciences Institute of Ethnic Literature. Selected from:ChinaCulture.org. Copyright © 2003 ~ 2009. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

[19] Shelton, ed. (2007-12-7 14:18:42). "Salar Ethnic Group". GUANGXI TRAVEL ONLINE. Go China Adventure International Travel Service Co. Ltd. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

[20] "Chinese Marriage of Salar Ethnic Minority". STudy in China. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[21] Totem Admiration in China's Ethnic Groups. CRIENGLISH.com. 2005-3-1 21:14:17. {{cite AV media}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |trans_title= (help)

[22] "Branch Museums (S-Z)". China Ethnic Museum. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[23] "Population and Ethnic Groups of the People's Republic of China". Economic and Commercial Counsellor's Office of the Embassy of the People's Republic fo China in the Kingdom of Norway. MINISTRY OF COMMERCE,PRC. March 22, 2009 - 17:57 BJT (21:57 GMT). Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

[24] "Oldest handwritten Koran needs protection". China Daily. Updated: 2004-10-20 10:29. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

[25] "China restores oldest handwritten copy of Quran". China Daily. Xinhua. Updated: 2007-02-25 19:24. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

[26] "Basic Facts of Various Ethnic Groups". China.org.cn. China Facts & Figures. Retrieved 1 April 2013.

[27] "The Salar Nationality". cultural-china.com. Cultural China. ©2007-2014. Retrieved 1 April 2013. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

[28] "China's Minority Peoples - The Salars". cultural-china.com. Cultural China. 2007–2014. Retrieved 1 April 2013.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: date format (link)

[29] "The Salar Ethnic Group". cultural-china.com. Cultural China. 2007–2014. Retrieved 1 April 2013.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: date format (link)

[30] "Pictures of Ethnic Flavor(4)". cultural-china.com. Cultural China. 2007–2014. Retrieved 1 April 2013.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: date format (link)

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