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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. The question that should be discussed here is whether "S. H. Kapadia" or "Sarosh Homi Kapadia" is the term English-language reliable sources generally use, and there appears to be no consensus about which of those is more common. Ucucha 18:50, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

S. H. Kapadia → Sarosh Homi Kapadia — Relisting. --RegentsPark (talk) 16:32, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What I could understand from Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people), the full name, "Sarosh Homi Kapadia" should be the title of this article. Joy1963 ^Talk 08:06, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(Note: Notified WT:Noticeboard for India-related topics. --RegentsPark (talk) 16:32, 21 May 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Oppose per WP:UCN (use common names) and WP:NCP#Middle names and abbreviated names without further evidence since most sources listed in the article use 'S. H. Kapadia'. ~~'Sarosh Homi Kapadia' might not even be a 'full name' in the sense imagined by WP:NCP. See Indian names: Initials for more info.~~ A similar recent move in the opposite direction was made at Talk:F. W. de Klerk. — AjaxSmack 01:38, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support:Sarosh Homi Kapadia is a Parsi, for whom initials do not signify family name. Here "Sarosh" is his name, "Homi" is his father's name and "Kapadia" is his surname. Some examples of the articles on Parsi people where full names used are: Ratan Naval Tata, Ratanji Dadabhoy Tata and Dinshaw Edulji Wacha.Joy1963 ^Talk 05:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the info. I struck that rationale from my argument. However, you should still show that there is common usage of the full name. Wikipedia is supposed to use the most common form of a name even if it is not the subject's full name per WP:NCP#Middle names and abbreviated names and the sources listed for the article mostly use "S. H. Kapadia". See the F. W. de Klerk talk page for a similar case. — AjaxSmack 15:23, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- First let me refer to some Gujarati news reports:

Then, let me refer to some English news reports:

Further, let me refer to some Hindi news reports:

In future, I will try to refer to the news published in all other Indian languages to convince you that the common usage is "Sarosh Homi Kapadia" only. Joy1963 ^Talk 16:08, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Now, Marathi news reports:

Joy1963 ^Talk 16:20, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks but what's needed are a representative sample of consistent usage in English news reports, not just a few select examples. For example, a Google News search like this or the standard usage of major Indian news outlets. For example, although some Times of India articles use his full name (as in the example you gave), most don't as reflected in this list of results. As for the Hindi and Marathi examples, English Wikipedia should reflect local English usage, not other languages (per WP:UE). — AjaxSmack 17:15, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- The question is what should be the benchmark for "consistent usage". Is the Google Search is the only standard way to judge it? Kapadia is from Mumbai and almost all local English language newspaper from Mumbai mentioning his full name in most of the news items, which is not properly reflected in the Google search. Let us browse through some more newpapers:

Also some news channels:

Sarosh H Kapadia appointed new Chief Justice of India in Zeenews.
Sarosh Homi Kapadia is new Chief Justice of India in NDTV.

Even the Bombay High Court website mentions him by his full name:

http://bombayhighcourt.nic.in/libweb/judges/Kapadia%20S.H..html

Else, in the Supreme Court of India website:

http://www.supremecourtofindia.nic.in/?page_id=8

This debate can be endless, as like any other North Indian name (and unlike a South Indian name), the newspapers and the news channels will constinuously refer him alternately by his initials and full name in future also and calculation of percentages of the both usages (as well as Google Search results) will vary. Joy1963 ^Talk 04:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Not sure if Sarosh Homi Kapadia is the common name. Curiously the Supreme Court of India names him as "Hon'ble Mr. Justice S.H. Kapadia" [1], in its list of Judges, it has names with full name also. [2]--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 04:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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