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[edit]I've taken off the "stub" note with my expansions.Pjmorse 02:57, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
divorce statement in this article is unsourced
[edit]This article states that Bob Anderson was forced to sell his magazine due to a divorce. I can't find a source for this statement, however, I have found sources online where Bob Anderson himself stated that he sold the magazine to pursue other business ventures. KarateLady 04:35, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
- I am a former employee of the magazine; several of my co-workers had been with the magazine before the Rodale acquisition and unanimously agreed that divorce proceedings were the reasons for the sale. (That said, I expect it would be hard to find a printed source making the connection, and it certainly doesn't weaken the article to remove the reason for the sale; it's most relevant only that the sale was made.) - Pjmorse 13:27, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Pj, I am requesting that this statment be removed unless somebody finds a reliable source stating this to be a fact. People can speculate all they want about somebody's personal reasons for making changes in their lives, but this type of statement is harmful, in my opinion, to Bob Anderson and his family. It seems inappropriate and a violation of this man's personal and financial business. Just because divorce proceedings were in progress does not mean he sold the magazine for that reason.
But I agree with you that this statement does not affect the article, really, and I greatly appreciate your post. Thank you for taking time to respond to my discussion on here. KarateLady 02:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
- I've tweaked the opening sentence of the sale section to simply state that Anderson broke up and sold the business, with no statements about why. Should do the trick. KL, I appreciate the work you've done on this article; it reads much better now. - Pjmorse 15:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, Pj. I appreciate your hard work on here.
I did a slight rewrite on the portion in question and added a few internal links. I hope this sounds okay. I'm trying to follow guidelines that I've learned from some good folks on Wikipedia. Based on my research, Anderson World Publications went through changes, but Bob Anderson was still publishing FIT magazine and others up until 1987. Macmillan distributed many of his books too for a good number of years.
In any event, editing articles like this one has inspired me to get back to doing more running! I plan to shop for new running shoes this weekend. :) Cheers to you, KarateLady 16:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
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[edit]Removed the advertisement in the end. 46.239.102.199 (talk) 20:34, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Editors,
I hope everything is going well. Reaching out to see if anyone can review and make the below updates? I work with a few publications and have a COI. I understand per guidelines that I shouldn’t make these updates myself and have numbered them below following the request format. I appreciate help in seeing what’s possible!! Camillefrancis (talk) 17:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
1)
- Requested Update: There are a few lines missing citations - providing what I could find to confirm some of them. I will send sources as I locate them - but it’s my understanding anything missing citations may need to be removed?
- Why: I saw that the accolade of "Creative Team of the Year" and “In the early 1980s, Bob Anderson…” lines are confirmed - see below. Also seems like a number of awards that are missing citations.
- Source(s):
- Creative Team: https://sgbonline.com/rodale-owner-of-runners-world-acquires-running-times/
- 1980s: https://www.runblogrun.com/2012/03/bob-anderson-founder-of-runners-world-the-rbr-interview-by-larry-eder.html
- Misc Awards:
- https://www.adweek.com/performance-marketing/hot-list-magazines-136863/
- https://www.mcall.com/2005/11/02/runners-world-skips-onto-top-10-list-advertising-age-ranks-magazines-on-criteria-that-include-buzz/
- https://www.adweek.com/performance-marketing/magazine-hot-list-2005-highlights-110859/
- https://www.asme.media/asme-announces-44th-annual-national-magazine-awards-finalists
- Done. Some of these are probably first-party citations (like ASME for magazine awards and Adweek for, well, Adweek awards, but these are pretty incontrovertible claims, so I think it's OK (but I'll look for some better citations if possible).
2)
- Requested Update: The intro paragraph is out of date and some lines are redundant based on what’s already lower down on the page.
- Why: There are new formats of Runner’s World (ex. experiential, website, digital membership), and blanketly saying that it’s globally circulated monthly doesn’t make sense for these newer iterations at different frequencies. Would something like the following work?: “Runner's World has developed experiential formats including a digital membership program, called Runner's World+.” Also, Is it possible to remove the acquisition line - it happened a while ago and it’s in the history section already?
- Source(s):
3)
- Requested Update: Circulation numbers
- Why: Currently out of date. The latest numbers are print: 1.6M, digital: 2.4M, and total: 4M.
- Source(s):
- See US Section: https://www.hearstglobalsolutions.com/brands/runners-world
- Done, although I'm not positive that digital are really subscribers in that citation. I'll keep as is for now, but I'll look for another citation. Do you know when the first issue came out?
- See US Section: https://www.hearstglobalsolutions.com/brands/runners-world
4)
- Requested Update: Running Times mag & website updates
- Why: Running Times was both a magazine and a website (see first source below). Currently as it’s written on the page, it’s a bit confusing - could it be revised to something like: “Running Times was combined with Runner’s World in 2015 to support all runners.”? (see sources below)
- Source(s):
- https://sgbonline.com/rodale-owner-of-runners-world-acquires-running-times/
- https://athleticsillustrated.com/running-times-closure-moving-to-the-speed-of-digital-media/
- https://www.worldwiderunning.com/wiki/doku.php?id=magazines:runner_s_world
- https://nypost.com/2017/06/08/runners-world-gets-a-new-editor-in-chief/
5)
- Requested Update: Updates for Distance Running Magazine
- Why: As written it’s not entirely accurate - It was a mimeographed newsletter vs. a magazine originally, it’s mentioned on Bob_Anderson_ Wikipedia.
- Source(s):
- https://www.sneakerfreaker.com/features/running-the-world-mag-founder-bob-anderson-talks-five-star-sneakers/
- https://www.runblogrun.com/2012/03/bob-anderson-founder-of-runners-world-the-rbr-interview-by-larry-eder.html
- Question: Not sure exactly what the change is here. Just something like "Runner's World was originally launched in 1966 by Bob Anderson as a mimeographed newsletter called "Distance Running News" and Anderson published it by himself for several years from his home in Manhattan, Kansas."?
- Done as per the below.
6)
- Requested Update: Awards
- Why: Updates to existing awards mentioned and addition of awards. See sources for more details/years.
- Source(s):
- 2019 - Michelle Hamilton’s Runner’s World article: https://www.asja.org/what-we-do/awards/writing-award-winners/
- 2020 - Christine Yu’s Runner’s World article: (same source as above - click into the year)
- 2021 - Jackson’s article also was awards the National Magazine Award and the Jenkins Medal:
- 2022 - Wufei Yu & Will Ford's article, November/December 2021Issue:
- https://www.aaja.org/2022/07/27/aaja-announces-2022-journalism-excellence-awards/
- https://www.aipsmedia.com/aips/pages/articles/2022/31456.html
- https://moody.utexas.edu/centers/sports-communication-media/2022-jeff-passan-and-sally-jenkins-honored
- Done. I don't love the citations but I think they're OK here.
7)
- Requested Update: Editors
- Why: Is it possible to streamline the editors in one place - I see on other publication Wikipedia pages that a list or grid is used? Sharing what I have located below - let me know if you need me to look into more/locate the other Runner-In-Chiefs throughout the years.
- Source(s):
- Bob Anderson (‘66 - ‘85)
- Robert Rodale (‘85 - ‘87)
- Ambrose "Amby" Burfoot (‘85 - ‘03) - He has a Wiki page - Amby_Burfoot
- Betty Wong Ortiz (2017 - 2018)
- Jeff Dengate (2018 - Present)
- https://believeintherun.com/dont-train-for-a-marathon-like-jeff-dengate/
- Done, with a list, which is what I see on most other magazines. Some of those citations didn't work so I found new ones.
- https://believeintherun.com/dont-train-for-a-marathon-like-jeff-dengate/
8)
- Requested Update: There are a number of print books that have been published that are not cited
- Why: Runner’s World has been historically discussing the world of running for decades. Do you need the ISBN? I wasn’t sure what to provide as a source.
- Source(s):
- Runner’s World Complete Book of Women’s Running: https://search.worldcat.org/title/162145871
- Runner’s World Big Book of Marathon and Half-Marathon Training: https://search.worldcat.org/title/780063931
- The Great Grete Waitz: https://search.worldcat.org/title/922930403
- Runner’s World Big Book of Marathon and Half-Marathon Training: https://search.worldcat.org/title/780063931
- The Runner’s World Big Book of Running For Beginners: https://search.worldcat.org/title/864808709
- Runner’s World Run Less Faster: https://search.worldcat.org/title/1151739146
- Done done, with the additional books below
9)
- Requested Update: 2020 Runner’s World HQ and facilities
- Why: Missing currently from page, for example: mechanical product testing lab (Test Zone), trails for product testing.
- Source(s):
- https://nypost.com/2018/09/20/runners-world-staff-moving-to-a-former-bowling-alley/
- https://www.worldwiderunning.com/wiki/doku.php?id=magazines:runner_s_world
- https://nypost.com/2017/06/08/runners-world-gets-a-new-editor-in-chief/
- Partly done Only the first New York Post article works as a source, but I found additional sources and added an edited line. If that's not accurate, please provide further sources.
Camillefrancis (talk) 17:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Camillefrancis, saw your note on my Talk page. I can take a look at all of this. --FeldBum (talk) 02:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @FeldBum Sorry, I missed this ping last week - thank you. Let me know if you need anything clarified or provided as you review. Camillefrancis (talk) 21:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Camillefrancis I made a bunch more edits and left you a question. I also removed some blatant POV lines from the article (but since they were the last unsourced lines, I also removed the tag). --FeldBum (talk) 16:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @FeldBum Sorry, I missed this ping last week - thank you. Let me know if you need anything clarified or provided as you review. Camillefrancis (talk) 21:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @FeldBum, thank you for reviewing, understood on what’s possible. Responses below, as well as a few more things to review (labeled by letters to not confuse with the first batch). Let me know if there’s anything I can help clarify or provide. Thank you!! Camillefrancis (talk) 21:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Some replies to the below:
- I added first issue based on the cites you provided in #3
- I added the line in for #5, but we only want to link each internal wikilink once (maybe a second time in the infobox)
- For #7, I'll take a look. Do we have end dates for those editors?
- I'll take at those new requests too. --FeldBum (talk) 18:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Some replies to the below:
- Hi @FeldBum, thank you for reviewing, understood on what’s possible. Responses below, as well as a few more things to review (labeled by letters to not confuse with the first batch). Let me know if there’s anything I can help clarify or provide. Thank you!! Camillefrancis (talk) 21:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- For #3 - I’ll get back to you - I see it already says 1966 on the page. Few more I found below.
- Sources:
- Shows January 1, 1966: https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/g20827371/50-years-of-rw-covers/
- Shows 1966: https://archive.org/details/pub_runners-world
- For #5 - Yes that makes sense, and I wanted to mention Bob Anderson has a Wikipedia page. Should that be linked throughout and in the editor section?
- For #7 - Requested Update: Editors - I think the dedicated section you made makes sense. I found a few more editors mentioned below - I’m still trying to find sources but would past print editions with the masthead work to confirm? How would I provide a print source for reference?
- Why: Missing historical information
- Editors:
- Joe Henderson - Started in ‘70 - He has a wiki page Joe_Henderson_(runner)
- James C McCullagh - Started in ‘87
- David Willey - 2003 - 2017
- Also Bob_Anderson_(runner) and Robert_Rodale’s pages aren’t linked here
- For #7 - Requested Update: Editors - I think the dedicated section you made makes sense. I found a few more editors mentioned below - I’m still trying to find sources but would past print editions with the masthead work to confirm? How would I provide a print source for reference?
- ADDITIONAL REQUESTS
- A)
- Requested Update: Update international circulation
- Why: Much is out of date, or missing citation - here are the latest countries: United Kingdom, Australia, France, Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, South Africa, Spain, Norway, and Sweden. It may not need a standalone section, other pages I've seen typically include this in the intro.
- Source(s):
- B)
- Requested Update for #8: Additional books - found a few more that could be added. Let me know if this is possible?
- Why: Historical publishing and titles
- Source(s):
- Runner’s World Complete Book of Running: https://search.worldcat.org/title/988447647
- Runner’s World Complete Guide to Minimalism and Barefoot Running: https://search.worldcat.org/title/795174402
- Runner’s World Training Journal: https://search.worldcat.org/title/755698720
- Runner’s World How to Make Yourself Poop: https://search.worldcat.org/title/1039079941
- Runner’s World Race Everything: https://search.worldcat.org/title/966365124
- Cookbooks:
- The Runner’s World Cookbook: https://search.worldcat.org/title/755698720
- The Runners World Vegetarian Cookbook: https://search.worldcat.org/title/1056107997
- Done some of these links were wrong, but I figured it out
- B)
- Hi @FeldBum, saw you made some edits, thank you again for reviewing and seeing what's possible. Sending summary of what is still open for review - I wasn't sure if it was left unaddressed meant that it wasn't possible or if you were still reviewing. Thanks!! Camillefrancis (talk) 20:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Camillefrancis, a few answers:
- I can resort the books and the ones above
- That works for request #9, with some edits. I can edit
- I can also make something work for request #A
- Mastheads should work here. I'll take a look for sources too. This isn't contentious information, so any source will do here
- FeldBum (talk) 17:57, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Camillefrancis, a few answers:
- -Thanks for adding some books. Did you happen to see my second request (#B) of additional publications. Also 2011 + 2012 are out of order chronologically, they need to be swapped. Could you look into this?
- -Request #9 is pending - Would something like this work? “In 2020, Runner’s World, along with the additional brands in the Hearst Enthusiast Group launched their a mechanical testing lab (“the Test Zone”), for product and gear testing reviews. This new testing space is located near trails along the Delaware and Lehigh rivers for ease of outdoor product testing.”
- -Request #A is pending
- -I don't have end dates available for the additional editors, but if mastheads or links to past issues help I can provide that? Let me know what I need to provide print sources if that's necessary. Also, would it make sense to only keep the current EIC in the infobox? The position is technically runner-in-chief, it's currently in the info box, can this be updated throughout?
- Hi @FeldBum, sorry, missed your ping during the recent holidays. Thank you again for the review - makes sense. I realized the International Circulation section isn't quite clear, could you review this? Essentially, as of As of 2024, there are 11 international editions (including the US flagship): Australia, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom. This is the similar to the line in the intro paragraph - just with more context in the dedicated section. Let me know if that makes sense, thanks. 19:02, 5 December 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camillefrancis (talk • contribs)
- Sorry, missed this earlier. I updated. There are no citations, so I removed the unsourced countries. --FeldBum (talk) 18:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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