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Digital controversy

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I think the bit about the controversy over the dance routine's use in a commercial should be a section by itself? Thoughts? 23skidoo 14:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly, but I think it's ok the way it is. After all, it was really just an argument between Ava Astaire on one side and Robyn Smith Astaire (the animosity between this pair goes back to Astaire's wedding in 1980) and the makers of Dirt Devil on the other. I don't think too much should be made of it in Wikipedia, and the issue of how the Astaire estate handles the use of Astaire's film clips is already covered in a section within Fred Astaire's solo and partnered dances. Of course a lot of Astaire fans feel very strongly indeed about it, but others could argue that it exposed him to a much wider audience. After all Volkswagen did something similar with Gene Kelly's Singin' in the Rain a couple of years ago and there wasn't much fuss. Dermot 17:37, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dance number description deletion

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Although it's been there for awhile, it struck me that the statement about Astaire "for the first time in his career" casting off aspersions of elegance in the "...Liar all My Life" number comes off as non-NPOV editorializing and possible OR. Also, unless there's a source somewhere that says Astaire had never performed such a number before the statement can't really be backed up. 23skidoo 13:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The comment is based on the following section from Mueller p.327 "The number is something of a high point for Astaire, the only time in his film career that he was able to fully repress his innate propensity to be couth...only here...are delicacy, refinement, wry understatement and above all elegance finally given the wind". Dermot 20:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's all well and good but it isn't cited (please see WP:CITE so therefore it's an NPOV violation to have it in there as is. I'm removing it for now; feel free to put it back later provided it is properly cited. 23skidoo 21:17, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Royal Wedding DVD cover.jpg

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Sunday Jumps

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Astaire credits the idea for this famous solo to his long-time choreographic collaborator Hermes Pan. In it, Astaire parodies himself by dancing with a clothes-horse (often incorrectly referred to as the "hat-rack" dance) and appears to parody his rival and friend Gene Kelly by inserting a mock body-building episode during which he kicks aside some Indian clubs in a reference to Kelly's routine with The Nicholas Brothers in The Pirate.

It's not a clothes horse, it's a hatstand. I imagine "hat-rack" is an acceptable term for the latter item of furniture, so I'm changing that section of the article. Opera hat (talk) 16:00, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the reference, Mueller's "Astaire Dancing", he describes it as a "clothes tree". This term is also used in Billman's Bio-bibliography, p.134. Dictionary.com defines this as "an upright pole with branching hooks or pegs near the top to hold coats and hats". In Thomas's bio of Astaire, p.221, Astaire describes it in one paragraph as a "hat tree" and in the following paragraph as a "hat rack". My guess is that Astaire knew best what he was dancing with. Friedland's bio, p.129, describes it as a "hat-stand". Whatever. Definitely not a clothes-horse. D7240 (talk) 17:34, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Songs - I Left My Hat in Haiti - Nick Castle

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In the description of I Left My Hat In Haiti, the link for choreographer Nick Castle leads to the page for a Nick Castle, born in 1947 and known for playing Michael Myers in the original Halloween movie and apparently the son of the Nick Castle that worked on Royal Wedding.

I presume the link should lead to a page for Nick Castle, born in 1910, and listed here http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0145310/. I was unable to find a Wikipedia page for this Nick Castle.

I am new to Wikipedia and do not yet have the knowledge or skills to know what to do about this. Thanks for your attention.

--FSpotOp (talk) 17:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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NOTE; Musical scholars might check that "You're All The WORLD To Me"(Dancing on the Ceiling) is the SAME SONG as "I Want To be a Minstrel Man" in Eddie Cantor's KID MILLIONS(1934)---and used as background music in WHITE CHRISTMAS(1954)

But this was written by a different songwriter,Irving Berlin!But it's the SAME MELODY,note for note! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.23.5.34 (talk) 13:41, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're All the World to Me FX

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It seems remarkably deficient of this article not to at least begin to address how the effect of Astaire dancing on the walls and ceiling were achieved. The simple answer of course is that the room rotated, but there really needs to be some description of the mechanics involved in making this happen. How did they avoid camera shake while rotating the set? What means were used to reinforce the walls and ceiling of the set to allow Astaire to dance safely? How was the lighting rig rotated in order to keep the lighting consistent throughout the scene? Finally, what sort of harness was used to hold the cameraman in place so he could continue filming as the camera rotated with the set? I can't be the only person who would like to know these things! Lee M (talk) 19:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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