Talk:Ronald Barnes (carillonist)

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"Carillonist’s composition played at Matthew Shepard memorial service in D.C." [1]
"OBITUARY -- Ronald Barnes" [2]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 18:41, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that American carillon composer Ronald Barnes first encountered a carillon at around the age of four? Source: Biography in The Diapason~~
- ALT1:... that Ronald Barnes was a major force in establishing an American approach to writing music for the carillon? Source: Short bio at his memorial grant page

Reviewed: (Not required; second DYK)
Comment: Additional alts welcome—second DYK nomination—thanks!

5x expanded by Thrakkx (talk). Self-nominated at 02:19, 1 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: interesting article and hook, didn't even know what a carillon is :) The copyvio result is not so good but what is shown as a violation are the official names of the Guild of Carillonneurs in North America and the works of Ronald Barnes. It is my first review, and I'd be glad if someone would look over it, as well. I'd go with ALT1. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 14:27, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Paradise Chronicle: thanks for pointing this out. The copyvio scanner does show a strong similarity to this page about The Bulletin, but that is because the Wiki article lists all of the articles that Barnes wrote for that journal. Therefore, the result should be squeaky clean after a first glance! Thrakkx (talk) 14:38, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General eligibility:

New enough: - n
Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: I conducted a copyedit of the article, which caused the article to go below the 5x expansion requirement. I am willing to IAR it and still pass this. However, the article lists Barnes's 56 compositions, as well as his many academic articles. This information should be reduced to his most notable work. This would further reduce the article below the 5x expansion requirement, but I am also willing to IAR this. It would also be helpful if more information could be added about this person, if possible, to bring this article back to the 5x requirement. Please ping me once the list has been reduced. Z1720 (talk) 01:08, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: Hi, the list of his compositions and publications does not count towards the 5x expansion requirement, only prose. Reducing the list will luckily not bring the article below 5x. Despite this, I'll reduce it. All 56 of his compositions are notable, that is, the fact that he wrote 56. The publications are not so notable, so I removed them. Thrakkx (talk) 01:20, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would add more information if it was possible—what I have cited is really all that is available on Barnes. Published biographical information on carillon players is scarse. I did my best to reach the 5x requirement on prose. Sorry that the copyediting brought it below the requirement. Thrakkx (talk) 01:28, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Preference for ALT1. Thanks Thrakkx for removing the list of academic works. I still think the compositions should WP:SPINOUT into their own list article, but I won't hold up this DYK nom because of it. I added some sources on the article's talk page that you might be able to use in the article. Z1720 (talk) 01:33, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]