Talk:Rodney Joffe

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Per Soibangla, taking it to the talk page

This article has devolved into a very petty edit-war. My suggestion (an example of which can be found here) is that we retreat to whatever set of facts you can actually agree upon. A smaller article would perhaps inspire less acrimony. 151.84.70.202 (talk) 14:35, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Racism?

Why is he referred to as a "South African-American?" Isn't that racist as hell? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:13F0:8110:49EF:8F2F:BDBE:4D39 (talk) 03:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How is that racist? He was born in South Africa, and he's a naturalized American. That's a South African-American. Like Trevor Noah or Elon Musk. 151.84.70.202 (talk) 14:38, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I sure hope this article won't become a hit piece

because so far it has hints of that. I'll be watching. Cheers. soibangla (talk) 18:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I share your concerns. -- Valjean (talk) 21:07, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rodney Joffre named in new John Durham update on Spygate Russia Hoax

Rodney Joffre is named in a new pre-indictment by John Durham for participating in the conspiracy to falsely tie President Trump to Russia. He could be the 4th person to be indicted for the Russian hoax , New York Post 2/13/2022 24.185.101.187 (talk) 12:27, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually he's not named in the brief and we might be able to add content about this if reliable sources report it, but so far we have only dubious sources. soibangla (talk) 14:53, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Soibangla, from The Hill, "Durham, who was appointed by former Attorney General William Barr, alleged that Sussmann was presenting the evidence in coordination with the Clinton campaign." If you wish we can add the Boston Harald [1] and perhaps some other sources to back that Durham is alleging this was done in collaboration with the Clinton campaign. Please remember, we aren't claiming this is true, only that the allegation has truly been made. Springee (talk) 16:12, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This news station makes the statement more clearly saying that Joffe was asked by Sussmann who was working for the Clinton campaign.[2] I can add that reference if you wish. Springee (talk) 16:20, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Soibangla, I think you need to review RSP. Twice you have removed sources claiming they aren't reliable[3],[4]. If you are going to revert Boul22435's edits I think you need to actually explain why you think those sources aren't reliable for the claims in question. RSP does not say those sources (Fox New, Washington Examiner) are not reliable. It only says use with caution. Since we have a number of sources, including the The Hill saying the same thing this is something that can be included as an attributed statement. You have raised a concern, it has been addressed. Springee (talk) 19:06, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edits by 2075versant

2075versant adds to the article a flat assertion that Sussmann was a Clinton campaign attorney, but Durham has only alleged this. 2075versant also added that Sussmann was charged with lying about his Trump investigation, when actually he was charged with lying about not representing a client, which Durham alleges was the Clinton campaign. This matter is still awaiting trial. In edit summaries, 2075versant confidently asserts as facts things that are actually allegations. All this presents some possible BLP concerns.

Things Durham did not say in his motion:

Clinton campaign was involved
Payments were made
Joffe's alleged activity was unlawful
"Infiltrate"

2075versant used two RSP red sources, then switched to Fox News, which just four days ago brazenly lied about what Durham said, triggering yet another fabricated Clinton "scandal."

2075versant's edits should be reverted. soibangla (talk) 05:30, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fox News is not a red source. I've offered other sources that make similar claims. Perhaps we should provide multiple sources since this is a significant claim. I do see an issue with this edit in that the content was added to the lead without being added to the body. That should be corrected. Springee (talk) 11:35, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is all covered thoroughly at John Durham#Indictment of attorney. Fox News, right wing media, and Trump are creating another BS conspiracy theory out of this, one that may deserve its own article here as more and more RS debunk their lies. -- Valjean (talk) 17:57, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We have enough sources including The Hill which is still green such that we can say the allegation of a connection is there. Springee (talk) 22:08, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We document the allegations. Not sure what you mean by "connection". -- Valjean (talk) 22:43, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"worked on behalf of...Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign" is incorrect, it remains a Durham allegation that Sussmann denies. The Hill got it wrong, unless supported by other RS it's an extraordinary claim that should be discarded. That source was included only to support the quote "for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump."[5] soibangla (talk) 23:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article isn't about Sussmann, who did represent the DNC. We need to stay on-topic. -- Valjean (talk) 23:38, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sussman worked for Joffe, though, right? Simul (talk) 14:35, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Joffe's company @Neustar has been represented by Perkins Coie, where Sussmann was a partner, so Sussmann deserves some mention, but not much. -- Valjean (talk) 19:33, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cybersecurity expert

Joffe is referred to as a "cybersecurity expert".^[1]

Why was this fact deleted by User:RLMcGinley? -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 16:59, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No response, so I'm going to restore it, and with the ref. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 16:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably because Joffe is the first to acknowledge that he's not an expert:

"I’m not the smart guy in the room. I’m really the dumb guy that carries the bags – but fortunately in those bags, I have a lot of money," Joffe said with a grin. "So my role has really been carrying the bags of money. I’m not really good at actually understanding spam and finding that. I’m not any of those things. I couldn’t have an intelligent conversation about the techniques and methods used."

and his colleagues agree:

"Colleagues say he is more of an operator. Graham said he’s 'a quite average' computer programmer and network analyst. 'He’s more of an executive than an operations guy.'"

Do you think a journalist is more of an expert on who is, or is not, a cybersecurity expert, than cybersecurity experts, or the person himself? 151.84.70.202 (talk) 14:25, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He's a cyber security expert. Being humble doesn't mean he is not a expert.

Mary Litynski Lifetime Achievement Award from M3AAWG, for his lifetime work in fighting text spam, malware and DDoS attacks https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/06/10/1129716/0/en/Rodney-Joffe-Receives-2016-M3AAWG-Mary-Litynski-Award-for-Lifetime-Work-in-Fighting-Text-Spam-Malware-and-DDoS-Attacks.html

Contribution to Cyber Security Award, presented at the 2018 Computing Security Awards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOBIhJMhxtE

From 2009-2010, Joffe was Director of of the Conficker Working Group https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/conficker-still-a-threat-says-working-group/

Cybersecurity Professional of the Year https://www.i-com.org/news-articles/rodney-joffe-named-a-2020-cybersecurity-professional-of-the-year-by-the-cybersecurity-excellence-awards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1scamblocker1 (talk • contribs) 05:18, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Perez, Evan; Katelyn, Polantz (September 30, 2021). "Durham issues fresh round of subpoenas in his continuing probe of FBI investigation into Trump, Russia". CNN. Archived from the original on September 30, 2021. While working for Perkins Coie, Sussmann also represented Rodney Joffe, a cybersecurity expert referred to in Durham's indictment as "Tech Executive-1." In 2016, Joffe, who has not been previously identified, worked with researchers to collect internet data about the Trump Organization that Sussmann took to the FBI.

Grandfather clock lawsuit

The cited articles aren't accurate. Rodney Joffe never owned the business as the articles state. This can quickly be verified by going to https://sos.iowa.gov/search/business/search.aspx and searching for the business name "Merchandisers Warehouse". The only officer name on the company is LINDA CARELLA MARILYN. His name isn't located anywhere on any of the incorporation documents.1scamblocker1 (talk) 12:51, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Perez, Evan; Katelyn, Polantz (September 30, 2021). "Durham issues fresh round of subpoenas in his continuing probe of FBI investigation into Trump, Russia". CNN. Archived from the original on September 30, 2021. While working for Perkins Coie, Sussmann also represented Rodney Joffe, a cybersecurity expert referred to in Durham's indictment as "Tech Executive-1." In 2016, Joffe, who has not been previously identified, worked with researchers to collect internet data about the Trump Organization that Sussmann took to the FBI.

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