Talk:Rodeo (ballet)

Ahem?

Rationale for this page move? SFT | Talk 06:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I see now that Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(pieces_of_music) suggests using composers' surnames in titles for distinguishing among different pieces of music. But that's not what's needed here; what's needed here is distinction between a piece of music and a cowboy event. "Ballet" does that job much better than "Copland", which to most people is some random name.

I'm requesting that this be moved back if there are no objections within a day or two. SFT | Talk 07:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

If you read the article, it's not just about the ballet, so the other title is inaccurate. Sam.mcveety 03:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh!! I guess you're right. :) SFT | Talk 11:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't see what else the article is about. If you're saying it's about a ballet and an orchestral suite, I would consider them to be two different versions of the same work, and would still consider the original version--the ballet--the most important. I suggest a move back to Rodeo (ballet). Skiasaurus (talk) 18:45, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I think I see the distinction: the orchestral version is quite different from the ballet, and the orchestral version is the most well-known version. Thus to say that the article is mostly about the ballet seems incorrect. I'm not strongly opposed to a move, but I think I'd prefer it remain here. (And since there are redirects, it doesn't seem that important) -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 05:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker suite is quite different from the ballet, but both are covered in The Nutcracker, which opens: "The Nutcracker is a fairy-tale ballet..." (emphasis added). Skiasaurus (talk) 18:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Right -- I agree that that's what we should do with this article too: cover both versions. However, note that the name of that article is "The Nutcracker," which is appropriate, and not "The Nutcracker (ballet)" which might be less so given that it covers the suite also. If "Rodeo" weren't already taken as a location, we wouldn't need this discussion. In the end, it doesn't really matter to me, so if you feel extremely strongly about it, feel free to make the move. But I don't think the MOS for naming covers works that appear substantially altered in multiple genres. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 22:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The lead says, "The symphonic version omits 'Ranch House Party,' leaving the other sections relatively intact." If this is true, then I would not consider the versions to be substantially different. Either way, I can't make the move, since Rodeo (ballet) already exists, and I'm not a sysop. Skiasaurus (talk) 00:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

It's 'Copland'

Stop changing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam.mcveety (talk • contribs) 18:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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Use of R-numbers

What are these R-numbers? Is the same as the bar or measure number in instrumental works? Are they specific to ballets? Are they appropriate for inclusion here? DavidRF (talk) 14:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The author uses R19 for "rehearsal 19." There's not a standard in the field, but referring to them is useful--I think they should be explained at the first usage ("rehearsal 19 (hereafter R19)"). -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 23:34, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Is it roDEEo or roDAYo? There seems to be a disagreement. Timneu22 (talk) 11:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's roh-DAY-oh, with the accent on the second syllable. Skiasaurus (talk) 13:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I changed my mind, based on the Google Answers thread on the topic, which I hadn't read before (and which is listed in this article's references section). It seems that Copland himself called it ROH-dee-oh... and who am I to contradict him? :-) Skiasaurus (talk) 13:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Copland put the accent on the first syllable. Agnus de Mille put the accent on the second syllable, which is where most people in the classical music world put it today. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 22:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

This is all interesting dialog. Perhaps some citations could be provided and then this info can be provided in the article? Timneu22 (talk) 00:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

The Google Answers thread referenced above is already cited. All that's left to do, really, is to figure out where in the article it goes. Skiasaurus (talk) 18:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I think we should delete any pronunciation key. Everybody -- EVERYBODY in the classical music world says RoDAYo. Yes, it's silly, and probably wrong, but if you go around talking about ROdio, no one will know what you're talking about. I'm willing not to change it to something else, but we shouldn't go around announcing to the world that something is pronounced in a fashion in which nobody pronounces it because of a google answers thread. --75.85.12.25 (talk) 07:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Film Music Inspiration

I seem to recall that Fivel out west and a track from a Goofy Movie sound very much Rodeo-like, but could somebody figure out a way to work it into the article? There are probably dozens of similar soundtracks out there. Bachcell (talk) 17:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

What about the ballet itself?

I have taken a recent interest in the work of Christine Sarry, who was the heir of Agnes Demille's authority in approving dancers for The Cowgirl. I wanted to contribute some historical information about the Cowgirl's role, as a key ingredient in the ballet. Well, this page focuses on the score, while only touching here and there upon the ballet itself, and maybe a little on Demille's underpinning for the role. Any opinions on me adding some material about the role of Cowgirl. Golly, I don't want to add a whole new Wiki Page on this. Mbanak (talk) 01:00, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Sunday March 21, I refined the introductory line to allow the body of this Wiki Page to go deeper into the ballet itself. Hope to add more later. Mbanak (talk) 03:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Monday, March 22, 2010, I added the section "The Ballet and its Place in The Repertoire". I have the references in hand. I will line them up aand add them in the near future. I think several items in my additional narrative can be linked to other pages in Wikipedia. Comments welcome. Mbanak (talk) 02:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Wed, March 24, 2010; added list of modern dancers coached by Ms. Sarry for the Cowgirl role. I think any further edits will be a list of citations and references. Mbanak (talk) 03:51, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

About the statement that one of the theme is based on "boneparte's retreat." This can't be based on Pee Wee King's version because Pee Wee King didn't release this single until 20 years after "rodeo". the song dates back to the early 1900's. there are many accepted versions of the song. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.17.197.110 (talk) 20:50, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Buckaroo Holiday

I have changed some of the synopsis for "Buckaroo Holiday". All those R23's and such made it sound as if the summary were written exclusively for other musicians, and Wikipedia is for everybody. Someone who isn't a musician or a music expert would be totally lost at that summary. AlbertSM (talk) 01:45, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Bernstein's contribution

It's actually 'Ranch House Party' that Leonard Bernstein contributed some music to - 'Entirely Copland's own - or nearly so (Leonard Bernstein offered a hand here) - is the piece of honky-tonk found in "Ranch House Party"'- Pollack, p 367. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.30.92 (talk) 12:29, 26 February 2014 (UTC)