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Croft River

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William Smith As a student of the Middle level I can tell you the "CROFT RIVER NEVER EXISTED" as a river. What has been corrupted into the croft river was in fact the "OLD Welney river" I have a collection of old maps and have published documents proving my information is correct.

It only became known as the Croft River in arrox 1865 by which time the 13th century alterations to the "Western Ouse" from Littleport to Denver, the 17th century Bedford rivers and the mid 19th century cutting of the Middle level Main drain ensured no water flowed in the once great waterway that carried the water of the Western Ouse, The Cam, The Wissy and the Lark.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.139.103.79 (talk • contribs) 10:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Croft River is named on Faden's Map of Norfolk, published in the 1790s, so it appears to be an alternative name of what is on more recent maps as "Old Croft River". --Snigbrook ^(talk) 21:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note 1

The map link no longer goes to a map which shows any of the features mentioned. Does anyone know how to fix it? Bob1960evens (talk) 11:25, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of unverified material

I would like to suggest the removal of the following.

The explanation of this oddity is that the valley was formed, not by these rivers but by water spilling from Lake Fenland. This was a periglacial lake of the Devensian glacial, fifteen or twenty thousand years ago. The ice sheet closed the natural drainage from the Vale of Pickering, the Humber and The Wash so that a lake of a complex shape formed in the Vale of Pickering, the Yorkshire Ouse valley, the lower Trent valley and the Fenland basin. This valley was its spillway into the southern North Sea basin, thence to the English Channel basin, which at the time, contained no sea.

Nearly the same text appears on the River Waveney article, where it has had a citation needed tag since November 2011. I thought I would find some refs to enable me to remove the citation needed tags, but only found evidence that the whole thing is a bit tentative. See for instance, Godwin, H; Tallantire, P A. "Studies in the post-glacial history of British Vegetation" (PDF). University of Cambridge. p. 286. and Clark, C D; et al. "Map and GIS database of glacial landforms and features related to the last British Ice Sheet" (PDF). White Rose University Consortium (Leeds, Sheffield and York). pp. 20–21. {{cite web}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |first= (help) Bob1960evens (talk) 17:03, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have recently found Little Ouse Headwaters, which may throw some light on the subject, and this links to Prof West's transcript, which might also be helpful. Bob1960evens (talk) 09:51, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

These refs covered some of the text, but not all of it, so I have replaced it with what I can verify. Bob1960evens (talk) 15:55, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Sources

The article seems to indicate the sources is very close to that of the Waveney looking at the map the Source of the Little Ouse is at least 2 miles further south. The river does place very close to the Waveney source . I suspect in the past the ouse fed into a small pond and two streams lef. see google maps https://www.google.com/maps/place/Diss/@52.3620512,0.9844089,15.22z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x47d993453644bce7:0xe5513dfa0dd8b298!8m2!3d52.376491!4d1.108394 --Kitchen Knife (talk) 18:24, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kitchen Knife the OS map shows the "Source of River Waveney" immediately to the East of the B1113 and the "Source of Little Ouse River" immediately to the West of the same road at 60039,27900.
From my memory, there is a dry ditch at that point with a small bridge/culvert under the road. I suspect there are several seepages in the area - there not being enough water/pressure to form a true spring - but we don't include suppositions in Wikipedia articles - 18:44, 17 September 2020 (UTC)