Talk:Ritornello

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I removed the following: "This Form was made by Antonio Vivaldi. He used this in his most well known piece called The Four Seasons." "The Four Seasons" is a collection of works and not a single piece, and they are all written in concerto form, though certain movements of them make use of the ritornello technique; however, the Ritornello form itself pre-dates Vivaldi, and he did not create it. True ritornello form can be seen in the dance movements of Telemann's "Tafelmusik" ("Table Music"), the "Rejouissance-Rondeau-Loure-Passepied" section. I am adding a section on the use of the term ritornello to denote an instrumental section of music in an early baroque opera. Jmclark (talk) 07:32, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible copyvio

The first two paragraphs look like they've been copied out of The New Grove Encyclopedia of Music and Musicians. Edited by Stanley Sadie. Second edition vol. 21. Forgive me if I am wrong (this may just be source citation), but the start of the first paragraph looks suspiciously like it has been lifted straight from the encyclopedia. --Molerat 18:04, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed it, it was a straight copy and paste. In the future, I believe you can simply remove copyright violations like that (this is assuming you have access to the encyclopedia to check it). Mak (talk) 15:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion

This article confuses ritornello and ritornello form. Ritonello refers to both the ensemble and section that returns and also to the design of the movement as a whole. Ritornello Form refers to the form of the ritornello itself (Vordersatz, Fortspinnung, Epilog). I don't have time right now to correct the lackadaisical confusion of these two terms in this article, but I will hopefully remember to return. If I don't, please correct it for me. Thanks! 21:35, 23 May 2009

There is a larger problem here, in that the term "ritornello" can refer to a good many things depending on the time and place you are refering to. There is a difference between "a ritornello" and "ritornello form." Perhaps the article should be edited to discuss the use of the ritornello as a device and the ritornello as a musical form. Jmclark (talk) 09:39, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]