Talk:Richard Youngs

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I guess it's easy to fall behind with Richard's discography, but it seems like it hasn't been updated since maybe 2016? Is anyone watching this page qualified to correct this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.87.146.78 (talk) 04:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanted to say that I GREATLY appreciate the meticulous discographical information that's been newly added to this page. I am in the process of creating an online richard youngs discography and resource, which will (necessarily) be from a fan's perspective (though I hesitate to call it a "fansite"), so this information is invaluable to me. I have been researching my site for about six months, but my secondary sources (primarily the web and print articles) would have never yielded such complete information, which appears to have come directly from either Richard or one of his friends/collaborators. In the course of my research, I have dug up some sketchy info on a couple of obscure items that I don't see listed in the discography here, and I'm wondering how best to verify these items or get more info about them. I'm a new contributor, so I'm not sure how to proceed. Should I ask about them here on the talk page? Thanks very much. Gilliflower 20:39, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I'm glad the discography is of use. I enjoyed putting it together and felt it was long since time there was a decent guide to the man's work online and in the public domain. To that end, I'm particularly pleased that it will help with your site which sounds tremendous. If you have any other items to add, you can bring them up here and I'll have a look at them; with such a wide catalogue, there's bound to be things missing, especially from the early years (I think I've found another Omming For Woks item...). Some information was verified with one of Richard's collaborators but most of it just comes from my collection of the man's work and some clarification is required in places. There are a handful of items listed I don't own or don't own in their original form but I have the vast majority so I can help with any additional information you may require. I'm pretty new to this myself so let's try doing things here. Ac@osr 15:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply! Seriously, I was so excited to discover the detailed updates you've made to this page--so happy to discover another soul who is dedicated to sloshing through Richard's wonderfully vast and varied discography. So glad you actually are getting the information out there (something I have yet to achieve).

So onto the sketchy information I've found about releases that don't yet seem to be addressed in the discography. You've already added the Omming For Woks bits I'd found & the Tape Hiss cassette involving Stewart, but there are still a few other items:

1) A "partial discography" attached to a 2003 interview with Neil Campbell for the online zine "Perfect Sound Forever" makes reference to a split release with Richard Youngs on the Cakehole label:

the listing:

"NEIL CAMPBELL Mundanity split w/Richard Youngs TC (Cakehole)"

the link:

http://www.furious.com/perfect/neilcampbell.html

2) Brian Lavelle's discography mentions a compilation that features another "radios" collaborative piece with Richard:

the listing:

"e.g. Sometime Instant compact disc | compilation 05.2002 radiotuesday, Scotland Wofer 9:57 Brian Lavelle: radio Richard Youngs: radio"

the link:

http://brnlvll.org/discography.htm

3) More about those mysterious Christmas songs (i.e., "Festival of Carols"), perhaps? The Ebus Music label (Germany) site lists a various artists compilation (a double cassette release, I think?) entitled "The X-mas Compilation" which lists Richard's "Festival of Carols" as part of its contents.

The (relevant part of the) listing:

"Side A: . . . RICHARD YOUNGS festival of carols : i saw three ships (trad); round the christmas tree ; the holly and the ivy (trad) ; coventry carol ; the boar’s head (trad) ; gloucestershire wassall ; good king wenceslas ; there is a path"

The link:

http://www.ebusmusic.com/museum/body_museum.html

Was this, then, released in addition to the cassette distributed by Richard as Christmas gifts to friends (possibly on No Fans)?

As the Ebus site indicates this release is still available, I, of course, tried to email in an attempt to obtain a copy. This was a while ago, and I have received no reply. The site may, of course, be way out of date.

4) A compilation/mix by Kei Kobayashi, a Japanese DJ, seems to include "The World Is Silence In Your Head" as its last track. It appears to be the same version that appears on "Making Paper." I think I'm going to just go ahead and add this one to the discography, because all the information seems pretty clear and is here:

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=BSCP-30089

5) The Acid Mothers Temple-related "Psychedelic Atmosphere Beatnik Tour" 10-CD-R boxset released by La Musica (Germany) reportedly includes a live recording with Richard Youngs and David Keenan on Disc 9. I saw it on ebay once, and emailed a file-sharing friend to see if he'd seen it, and he said he had, so something is apparently making the rounds. What I personally have seen making the rounds is something called "Sound Possession" credited to the Richard Youngs and David Keenan Group. I'm wondering if this is what appears on the "Psychedelic Beatnik Tour" set. I can't seem to find any web reference to confirm this at the moment, for some reason. I feel like I've seen blog references to this Youngs/Keenan live stuff before, but I must have forgotten to bookmark them.

6) In the mid-90s interview "The multiple ear rings of Richard Youngs" in Crank #5, reference is made to a piece called "Xylem," which appears to have been recorded by the "Stonehaven Trio" (Richard Youngs, Steve Todd, and David Large, with Madeleine Hynes on guest vocals) at some point in Harpenden. While Richard admitted (at least at the time) to not being particularly keen on the recording, he did say he might try to get hold of the master and get someone to release it. Do you think this information is worth adding to the "recorded but may someday be released"-type information already included?

Whew. I think that's all for now. I'll keep sifting through my reasonably well-organized yet gigantic collection of bookmarks and looking over some of my old articles, etc. Gilliflower 17:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. Some tremendous stuff here. Slightly embarassing to admit but I own the radiotuesday compilation album and totally forgot about it! Well, I only remembered "Scenes From Ringing Isle" the other night. There's a small error on Brian's website; the track only lasts 2m 57s and it was one of four recorded for a session for the shortlived radio station. So that's verified (I'm holding it now), I'll add it in. I think Xylem certainly fits the mould for being added to the known unreleased works and it's a good find so I'll let you do the honours. :) Likewise, good work on the Japanese compilation, a nice find.

The Festival Of Carols item is interesting. The Wire article listed "God Rest..." and "The Boar's Head" as featuring and I have actually heard "Jesus Born Today". The Wire article was written by David Keenan who is close to Youngs and he does list the release date as "1990/91/92". Perhaps it was revised each year? I presume the label asked R!!!'s permission. I may have to see what I can glean from more learned sources on this one, it's a puzzle. I haven't encountered the Neil Campbell item before, I think the best thing would be to add it and see if anyone can clarify, likewise the Kawabata Makoto/AMT box set upon which I can find little; the AMT site no longer hosts a full discography. Hey, it's what Wikipedia is for, isn't it?

And "Come Hear Us Now" is one of the very best things he's ever recorded. Ac@osr 23:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Got something a bit more concrete on the "Sound Possession" tracks. The set was called Psychedelic Atmosphere Beatnik, was 10 CDRs deep and issued on Nanjo Asahito's La Musica label. The set also featured Mainliner, Toho Sara, Acid Mothers Temple, High Rise and others. Disc 9 was called "Sound Possession" and featured 3 tracks by two early incarnations of AMT and the 5 trio recordings w/David & Makoto that are circulating. Presumably, these were recorded around the time that Richard supported Toho Sara, his first meeting with Kawabata-san. Sufficent info for an add, d'you think? Ac@osr 16:49, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

sorry i've been away from wiki (and my richard youngs research) for a bit! i hope to have a chance to follow up on some of the leads we've discussed in the next week or two. i was very excited to add the time-lag lp with alex neilson and alastair galbraith (!) to the forthcoming section of the discography today. can't wait for that one. Gilliflower 16:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To those of you who have made incredible contributions to the Richard Youngs wiki, I say thanks! Please let me know how your website(s) develop, so I can update the information at the Jagjaguwar website. Cheers!--William.gass 17:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)Jagjaguwar Records[reply]

No, thank YOU for releasing so much of R!!!'s music! Ac@osr 19:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You people have clearly lost your minds! Amazing!!! --Vhfrecords 17:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is this THE VHF Records? Brillant! And if this is losing your mind, I don't want to find it again... Ac@osr 18:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

wow, props from both jagjaguwar & vhf?!!? incredible! ac certainly deserves it for the amazing amount of work done here. and i'm really, really happy to be able to help. i wholeheartedly second ac's emphatic "thank you" to both labels for making so much of this music available. thanksthanksthanks! --Gilliflower 21:32, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all! I used to know Richard in the mid eighties and can provide more info on this period of his work. I've made one edit already (the Strolling Ones collaboration in the discography) BUT this is from memory and can't be verified easily, if at all. What should I do? Totnesmartin 01:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Verifiability is really the tough nut here - pretty much everything listed pre-Advent can be verified through the fact that someone has offered it for sale online - usually on eBay. Awfully decent of Google to have a cache of such pages...I would go ahead and add anything of interest and if things have to come out later, so be it. I continue to chase good online sources for Omming For Woks etc so I'll keep digging in the meantime. Cheers! Ac@osr 18:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the mid 90s Neil Campbell had a large cassette-case filled entirely with tapes by Richard, including some Omming For Woks and some Creation Room tapes. I'm guessing he still has it. Next time I'm at his place I'll see if I can get him to let me have a browse and take a few notes. Many of them of course were one-offs, live recordings at The Sketch Pad in St Albans, etc. Stewart Keith 18:48, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That would be awesome! Ac@osr 22:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello all......I want to invite everyone to the newly-created Richard Youngs BBS at the Jagjaguwar Forum. It's one of those generic-looking Nosebleed / phpbb things, but we hope it turns into an environment where everyone can share stories and what not of Richard's solo music and related collaborations. I've got a flyer at the Jagjaguwar office of the first performance of 'Advent' that would be interesting to share for historical reasons, but basically anything relating to Richard is welcome! Ideally, it would also become the place to go to find where Richard's new collaborative works can be obtained. Thanks!!!! --William.gass 23:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC) Richard Youngs BBS[reply]

I was at that "Advent" performance. It was in Sticky Foster's kitchen, on Mother's day a few weeks after Neil Campbell & I had our first SWANC gig there. There were maybe five people watching, mostly residents of the house. Neil Campbell assisted Richard with the performance. Saxophone stood in for the album's clarinet, acoustic guitar for piano. Each part was exactly the same length as on the album version, they were quite particular about that detail.Stewart Keith 19:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've merged the content from the No Fans page to here as NFR doesn't need its own page - although it is important within Richard's discography, it probably did lack the required importance of itself (it had been tagged as such and, on reflection, I agreed). Ac@osr 20:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Such a vast, sprawling discography deserves a page all of its own, I think, as it is currently more than half of the article. There is a WP:DISCOG, after all. Anybody got any views on that? Thanks --sparkl_!sm ^hey! 17:34, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it wouldn't be out of place in it's own article, other than for two considerations: firstly, there are no sources in the discography section, so if separated we would have an unsourced discography article, and secondly, the article that would be left here would be rather short.--Michig (talk) 17:45, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It wouldn't be wildly hard to source despite Richard not having any kind of internet presence - the Jagjaguwar site covers his most overground releases and many of the smaller labels he has recorded for have some kind of website too...the No Fans releases would create the greatest problem but somewhere between most and all of them are on Discogs. Given that we already have two new albums this year, it's only going to get bigger so...up to yourselves, I don't really participate here any more... Ac@osr (talk) 16:29, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To add to article: does he also play the oboe? 131.123.1.227 (talk) 14:20, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]