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Are you sure

"Are you sure that white means of European origin? Because there are many Arabs who look more European than Greeks."

it's rather a precision, not a synonym. Azerty82 (talk) 19:54, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is inaccurate to say that remigration targets non-whites.

The Day of Revenge and arguably the land seizures in Zimbabwe show that remigration is a general nativist policy that may be promoted by any ethnicity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:6E00:1FF0:CF01:A0A5:67E4:1FF6:FE6D (talk) 10:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remigration is not just some euro France political concept

Remigration is not a word invented by a French communist newspaper. This article is ridiculous. Remigration is defined in several dictionaries but you use a newspaper to define it. This is a word with a vast history(i.e a people remigrating back to their country after war) not a new political concept. Here is a definition. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/remigration. I move toward writing the introduction with the actual definition and then mentioning it as political concept. This will allow the article to be expanded overtime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.52.89.222 (talk) 22:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Remigration on Wiktionary uses the prevailing definition per Webster's as well. At this point, linking to that entry instead of this article seems preferable. --NFSreloaded (talk) 03:29, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to lie this is the first time I've ever heard of repatriation as a far-right Ideology. This article confuses Remigration and repatriation with some Right wing ideology. Its either that the article needs to be rewritten or the page needs to get moved to something like Remigration (Far-Right Ideology) or Remigration (Right-wing Ideology). The Article title is extremely misleading and I actually find it amusing. Zyxrq (talk) 19:47, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add that the word as it makes no sense, and may just be a fancy word for something else

"Remigration" as a word makes no sense, as the "re" prefix claims that that following word would be done again, which in the context of what the word means in practice is not the case, suggesting that the word is just a fancy, irrational creation, for an existing word, which words would you suggest would that be? I suggest that the mentioned context should be added to the article, including the word, which actually hides behind the artifical creation. Forsen1337 (talk) 12:12, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sociology of immigration

The terminus is used in the sociology of immigration for pehomenons in the transnational and internal migration.

Russell King: Return Migration and Regional Economic Problems. Croom Helm, London 1986, ISBN 0-7099-1578-0
Russell King, Katie Kuschminder (editors): Handbook of return migration. Edward Elgar Publishing, Cheltenham 2022, ISBN 978-1-83910-004-8.

Interesting might also be the remigration of surviving German refugees (jews, political dissiedents and artists from US/UK to Gemany/Austria after WW2). 5glogger (talk) 17:35, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Political bias, opinion rather than fact

This article is clearly heavily politically biased, and uses inflammatory and partisan language. It's also current political comment rather than a useful artifact; c.f. Wictionary's own definition at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/remigration, and countless other dictionaries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.189.168.31 (talk) 14:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Claiming that remigration is somehow an extreme right-wing idea is just wrong. It would perhaps be correct to say that support for unlimited migration and refusal to deport illegal immigrants are extreme left-wing ideas. The current English language article reflects this political bias.

Speaking as a European, there are two groups that are commonly discussed under the term "remigration":

- Illegal immigrants. If someone is illegally here, they need to be deported. That's obvious, and shouldn't be controversial at all. However, many governments have lacked the political will to actually enforce their own immigration laws.

- Immigrants who fail to assimilate. This is more controversial, but consider: If someone is allowed to immigrate, but (after a suitable amount of time) refuses to learn the local language and refuses to accept the local culture? Why should they be allowed to stay? European nations do not claim to be (or want to be) "melting pots". Anyway, unassimilated immigrants are refusing to "melt". 147.86.175.63 (talk) 12:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Connections with other articles

"Repatriation" is shown as a bold synonym in the lead, yet there is a separate article titled Repatriation. Maybe the term should be introduced in quotes instead of bold, along with an explanation of what the term usually means and a link to the other article. Consider adding this article to Repatriation (disambiguation) as well. Jruderman (talk) 03:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It might make sense to link to Opposition to immigration somewhere. Jruderman (talk) 03:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It might be appropriate to show Template:Discrimination_sidebar and add a link in the sidebar-template to this article. Both Ethnic cleansing and Opposition to immigration use the sidebar, so it seems within scope. I'm not sure what the procedure is for determining which articles get listed in a sidebar. Jruderman (talk) 03:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Error in the page. Remigration meaning can't be boiled down to "far-right" stamp

I think there is an error in the page. remigration defintion: The meaning of REMIGRATION is the act of migrating again; especially : the act of returning to one's original or previous home after a migration. To conclude that this concept is in all aspects "far-right" is the same as saying that globalism or multiculturalism is "far-left". Neither of these are correct or helpful, or factual. Thank you a lot, I will proceed further with this matter in case it is not revised or seriously looked at. If this is not removed, then it seems only natural that globalism and multiculturalism be revised as far-left "concepts" as well. Best regards, DK2828 (talk) 17:31, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:RGW and WP:THETRUTH and WP:POINT. Polygnotus (talk) 18:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The claim is sourced to 2 books, one by A. James McAdams and one by John Feffer. Which of those books do you disagree with? Which specific quotes? Why? Can you make a list of the WP:RELIABLE sources that support that view? Polygnotus (talk) 18:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality issues

This article seems to suffer from neutrality problems. The term appears has a range of meanings in different contexts (such as the social sciences vs political movements) and to different people. The article relies heavily on only one interpretation of the term and uses contentious terms such as "extremist" to represent a particular viewpoint. Accordingly, I have added a POV tag to the article. -- Lenny Marks (talk) 16:09, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Remigration" is a concept in far-right thought that is widely discussed in scholarship. A Google Scholar search for "remigration" and "far right" returns approximately 6,100 results: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=fr&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=remigration+far+right&btnG= Alcaios (talk) 12:43, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remigration in English is 300+ years old indeed. However, it was a very obscure subject until picked up by Identitarians, so it is almost impossible to find anything substantial (beyond definitions, the term is also used in biology and chemistry) on the pre-radical-right meaning of the term (I tried). We currently have a section "Wider usage" that can be expanded (if you have some good sources, please let me know). If detailed coverage of the old meaning is found somewhere (I doubt it), it would be easy to split the article. Until then, the bulk of the article will be about radical right per WP:WEIGHT. Викидим (talk) 14:23, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Repatriation

The lead starts with equating "repatriation" with "remigration" as a euphemism, citing three sources, none of which actually uses the term "remigration". IMHO this article is not about all euphemisms of "deportation", but about one well-chosen term that is very-little used for non-deportation purposes yet at the same time sounds very innocent (witness the 2024 scandal that failed to ignite). If we want to discuss other euphemisms, this should be done in Deportation, IMHO. I propose to remove the "repatriation" from the lead along with all three sources. Викидим (talk) 05:43, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Trump's mass deportation plan

To expand the scope of the article should Trump's mass deportation plan be included in this Wikipedia article? Zyxrq (talk) 03:35, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's a wrong place to do that. This article is about remigration, and this term is practically unused in the US outside of sciences like biology. We have an article Deportation. For avoidance of doubt, I happen to think that this is WP:UNDUE there as well. We have multiple articles about Trump and his policies. Викидим (talk) 03:43, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's already a section of the article that talks about trump wanting remigration. saying that we should mention it as an example of remigration in practice isn't that far fetched in my opinion. Zyxrq (talk) 04:05, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Trump used the word - once AFAIK. IMHO we should not follow China's example of Little red book and include quotes from Trump into almost unrelated articles, like Chinese did with Mao Tse-tung. We already have enough coverage of a single utterance IMHO. For the avoidance of doubt, I do think that a mention of Trump using the term is relevant here: the article is all about normalizing the talk about the deportations using the term, after all. Викидим (talk) 04:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting/Moving

Wouldn't splitting/moving the article to European Remigration Movement help fix the many problems people have with this Wikipedia article? Zyxrq (talk) 04:21, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We could turn this into a Disambiguation page Zyxrq (talk) 04:23, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I had never heard about such a movement. What sources (see WP:RS) do you propose to use for this new article? Викидим (talk) 04:40, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think understand what I'm talking about. I'm talking about renaming the page to Somthing like Remigration (European Movement) or Remigration (Far-right Ideology) to describe the European ideology of remigration, in a way that doesn't confuse people with Repatriation or Return migration. I have noticed that this is a common problem Wikipedia editors and readers have with this article. Zyxrq (talk) 05:02, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think I understood your point, but there is no "remigration movement" at this time to the best of my knowledge, so this would really confuse our readers. OTOH, I have no problem splitting the euphemism (i.e., most of this article) and the traditional use of the term into separate articles like Remigration (far-right ideology) and Remigration (science) and leaving this one as a disambiguation. I am not sure what the reaction of the other editors would be, so let's wait. Pinging the December 2024-Januaryy 2025 editors @Harryhenry1, Neiltonks, Alcaios, Muaza Husni, Jolielover, Mrevan, Maxeto0910, Ixocactus, Qualiesin, Cannolis, and Faolin42: Викидим (talk) 05:17, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From this page in 2024 @DK2828, Polygnotus, Lenny Marks, Jruderman, and 5glogger: Викидим (talk) 05:26, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]