Talk:Regional airline/Archives/2014

Requested move

This page should be moved back to regional airline since it is mostly a general article about regional airlines. The suggestion that we need an article for each country or region's regional airlines does not seem reasonable. In general the purpose and use of regional airlines is similar around the world. By having one article, you avoid the need to duplicate the common data. If there are some differences, they can be addressed by adding a section on the unique difference. This is the way these differences are generally handled on other airline/airport articles like airport security. I'll clean up the aritcle to make it more generic. Vegaswikian 08:49, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Done. Rob Church ^Talk 22:43, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Merge Commuter airline article

I propose that the Commuter airline article be merged into this article. The two articles cover much the same ground and do not appear to be describing different things. While it could be argued that there are subtle differences between commuters and regionals, the commuter article as it is currently written doesn't suggest there are any, and I think such arguments are tenuous at best anyway. Many regionals/commuters that provide shuttle services also serve remote/regional communities and could be considered to be both commuters and regionals. The Commuter article is also very North America-centric, which isn't a reason for merging it, but is should be made more general when merged. -- Adz|talk 11:41, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

why are they separate?

Especially in the case where a major airline has a regional airline as a wholly-owned subsidiary, why are these flights operated under separate cover instead of just as flights of the main airline? Does it have something to do with regulatory or labor issues that make "regional airline" flights cheaper to operate? --Delirium (talk) 07:29, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

From what I understand it is mostly labor issues. However it does setup a descent platform for separating out work for bid, and making sure you're getting a good deal from the internal provider as you would from an external provider. I don't have sources for this though.. so.... —Cliffb (talk) 21:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Excellent points Delirum. airline business has created and exploited this niche of flying to reduce labor costs. In the United States, many regionals now fly from the Atlantic to the Pacific. There is nothing "regional" about this sort of flying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.128.216.215 (talk) 22:51, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

confusion among the different types of carriers

Proposal for a major edit

Characteristics of Regional Airlines

• Regional air taxi airline (carriers) fly and operate a fleet of aircraft with up to 9 passenger seats, and may or may not operate with its own airline brand or identity.

• Regional commuter airline (carriers) fly and operate with their own ICAO or IATA codes, their own call sign, with a fleet of aircraft with 9-19 passenger seats, no flight attendant, non-stand up cabins, and function with or without an individual identity and brand, even though an individually operating certificated regional airline company. In many instances, the regional commuter airline may be owed by a conglomerate airline holding company, or may be a completely independent and individually owned regional commuter airline company.

• Regional feeder-airline (carriers) fly and operate with their own ICAO or IATA codes, their own call sign, and fly and operate aircraft with 9-99 passenger seats, without an individual identity or brand, even though an individually operating certificated regional feeder airline company. In many instances, the regional feeder airline may be owed by a conglomerate airline holding company, or may be a completely independent and individually owned regional feeder airline company.

• Regional airline carriers are federally operating certificated airlines which operate their own fleet of aircraft with their own brand, ICAO or IATA code, and their own call sign, upon a fleet of aircraft with 19-99 seats and always include a fleet of aircraft which requires a flight attendant.

• Airline carriers operate their own fleet of aircraft with their own brand and identity, ICAO or IATA code, and their own call sign. Federally operating certificated regional airlines are considered airlines.

• Major airline carrier operate their own fleet of aircraft with their own brand and identity, ICAO or IATA code, their own call sign, and operate at least one fleet of aircraft with more than 99 passengers upon their federal operating certificate. Major airlines have revenues greater than $1 billion U.S. dollars in revenue during a fiscal year. Regional airlines are never considered major airlines although in many instances, the regional airline may be owed by a conglomerate airline holding company, and have revenues greater than $1 billion U.S. dollars in revenue during a fiscal year.

What does "regional" airline post-liberalization and airline deregulation act now mean?

To clarify regional flying, I do believe we will have to define "regional" as

1) any sized airline whose routes are composed soley of intra-federated state or intra-province.

2) any sized airline whose routes are composed soley of none-continental intra-nationstate or intra-province flying.

3) any sized airline whose routes are composed soley of travel between a central hub state of the United States and the surrounding contiguous federated states or contiguous provinces.

4) any sized airline whose routes are composed soley of travel between a central none-continental hub nationstate, federated state or province and a contiguous none-continental nationstate federated state or province.

5) any airline that is geographically centered as described above but does not meet the status of a major carrier in the U.S. or similar status in other countries and nationstates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.128.216.215 (talk) 23:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

British Isles

Can someone explain why British Isles is accurate given BA do not fly to Ireland? All CityFlyer routes are easterly from English airports. There really is no justification for the use of BI here. It's simple POV-pushing. Fmph (talk) 08:57, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

This article isn't about BA specifically, it's called "Regional Airlines". That paragraph contains a number of examples of regional operators in these islands and could include more. The "POV-pushing" if that's what it is, appears to be on the side of removing the phrase "British Isles" in this instance and there has already been weight behind not removing it in geo-contexts, which this clearly is. However, I suggest we take it to Wikipedia_talk:British_Isles_Terminology_task_force/Specific_Examples#A_couple_more as HighKing has already opened the discussion there and I was going to comment on this one - and clearly this debate has nothing at all to do with interest in Regional Airlines anyway, as it's part of the British Isles debate and there is no need to bore people here with it. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 09:02, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Accuracy of "61%" fact

I am doubting the recent edit that cites a USA Today article which states "A government study recently found 61% of all advertised flights for American, Delta, United and US Airways (now merging with American) were operated by regionals in 2011, up from 40% in 2000."See Article I have a feeling that number includes other codeshare flights, operated by neither the mainline carrier, nor a regional affiliate. But because the article doesn't cite the "government study" that they get their info from. Does anyone have any other sources on this subject? HuffTheWeevil / talk / contribs 16:46, 24 September 2014 (UTC)