Talk:Rat-baiting

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Pictures

If you find some higher quality useable pictures of Rat Baiting, please upload them. SirIsaacBrock 15:33, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Restored material

I agree that the restored material is informative and appropriate. Rbraunwa 14:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your support SirIsaacBrock 14:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As usual

As usual for this series of articles, there is far too much anecdotal trivia and far too little discussion of the subject. I would have just removed the content, but apparently that is dramatically unacceptable. I ask that other editors justify the inclusion of all the tagged sections. Thanks. Hipocrite - «Talk» 13:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Factual information that supports and fills out an article is good thing :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SirIsaacBrock (talk • contribs) .

I have removed the tags because you have expended insufficient time and effort justifying their inclusion on this talk page. I think you're in violation of WP:POINT. There are plenty of shorter articles on Wikipedia that do not have inline references, and yet aren't filled with templates. I don't know how this fight started, and frankly I don't care, but stop disrupting the encyclopedia. If there are specific flaws in the article you would like remedied, then please point them out and civilly give SirIsaacBrock a chance to remedy them. –Joke 15:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would like him to remove the following as being not-encyclopedic or completly anticillary to the topic: Atmosphere, Rules, Rat-catcher, Billy, Jacko. I must insist that he either rewrite, or stop owning the article and allow me to rewrite the Technique section which is currently pure WP:OR. Hipocrite - «Talk» 15:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While they don't deserve their own sections, some of the information in the Billy and Jacko section could be useful to give an idea of how many rats were involved and the sort of times expected. — Laura Scudder ☎ 16:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that some of these sections could be rewritten, but I think they are each perfectly germane. As for technique, in principle it could be OR, but what makes you sure? –Joke 16:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is the responsibility of the person including the information to document it, using Reliable Sources. Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

May I draw your attention to the four quite relevant references at the bottom of the page? I think you are required to assume good faith: that is, if someone provides relevant references, perhaps you should accept that they actually say what he claims they say, in the absence of evidence to the contrary. –Joke 16:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

References do not support the information regarding technique. If they do, please cite the page where they do. I am required to assume good faith - however, I intend to verify the sources given. Where can we source "[a] true rat killer bit once, dropped the rat, bit again, dropped again, and so on?" Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't own the references (except for the Rats: ... book), have not looked at them, and do not have any interest in tracking them down. If you would like to, to confirm whether or not the information is in there, please do. Or as User:SirIsaacBrock to provide the page number, or a quote, if you dispute it. –Joke 16:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Page number will be fine. I have telephonic access to all of the sources. Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Old World rats and mice

I have removed the article from Category:Old World rats and mice, which contains only actual species of rats and mice. The original category, Category:Rats, was deleted per a deletion discussion. — Black Falcon ^(Talk) 22:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crule sport!

It is crule to breed any thing to face them with a painfull death. It is no better then in rome where they made pepole fight to the death. It is totaly wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.174.13.150 (talk) 04:11, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rat-baiting is a notable cruel sport and is illegal in most countries. It should be included in an encyclopedia like Wikipedia. Aquataste (talk) 13:46, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bad title

Baiting is very different to killing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.61.116 (talk) 23:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to agree this is not a very accurate title. Looking at the other forms of 'baiting' the baited animal is tied up, hamstrung, pinioned or disadvantaged in some way. This really doe make this look like rat-killing rather than rat-baiting. __DrChrissy (talk) 19:10, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rat-baiting is when rats are confined to a specific space with boards and killed with dogs, the rats cannot escape, hence this is a baiting activity. Aquataste (talk) 13:44, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, this is called “coursing” where they essentially just hunt and run the animals down until they’re so exhausted they have no fight left to give and are easily slaughtered. It can be done in a pen as shown above with rats (Rat Coursing) or out in the wild using riders to run down animals. You’ll also see this type of coursing done by getting animals to chase fake rabbits around a track or some such. 2600:1700:16E0:78D0:4140:294:5698:87EE (talk) 12:47, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quality

Move to change the quality from B to C or even lower. A table of rat-killing times, and the section talking about the "canine race", etc. are completely unnecessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.97.90 (talk) 02:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Importance of Rat Baiting in development of domesticated Rats

I have seen statements (I'm unsure as the the accuracy, but there were in books) that modern domestic rats are the decedents of rats originally bred for use in rat baiting, and that rat baiting was the motivation for the first rats bred in captivity. If this is true, it's very relevant to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.88.108.26 (talk) 16:30, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please consider deleting those stupid killing time tables

Seriously, do you think this is "factual information" that belongs into a worldwide online encyclopedia? Several (!) "records" of some cruel animal killing sport of the 19th century, with date and time? If many of you feel that some talk about "records" is needed, please shorten the section "breeds" drastically. Also, "atmosphere" is a really unneccessary section. Do articles about slaughterhouses include "atmosphere" remarks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.106.9.109 (talk) 16:14, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The timetables are important as they provide the times that were recorded for rat-baiting events in those times. Aquataste (talk) 16:27, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If there is something that doesn't belong to an encyclopaedia, that's contemporary moral sensibilities trying to censor a perfectly fine, well-balanced and non-biased article about a moment in the history of public entertainment. 189.9.32.2 (talk) 15:36, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I find the timetables interesting. 100 rats in 3-5 minutes! In present time, there are groups of people that go ratting in their neighborhoods to try to reduce the numbers of rats. There are people who hire out their dogs to go on farms and kill rats. Far safer and more effective than baiting with poison or traps. I watched a youtube video recently of a few dogs capturing dozens of rats as a farmer moved a structure. Pretty interesting. Nomopbs (talk) 17:13, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

15,000 page views

Hi, does anyone know why the article received approximately 15,000 page views in one day, as noted in the table at the top of this page? 21:58, 17 July 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aquataste (talk • contribs)

Yep, seems to be a consistent number being reported. Nomopbs (talk) 23:56, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Popular Culture

In GRR Martin’s Fire and Blood Prince Aegon the Elder was rumored to visit the Rat Baiting Pits 2600:8800:5620:6590:E508:2A6D:590F:8BD7 (talk) 02:38, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]