Talk:Property Brothers

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Review: December 22, 2017. (Reviewed version).

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Location?

Is this shot in Canada? What city? Are episodes in different cities? WilliamKF (talk) 01:12, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the episode "Lise & Andrew", I caught them entering a store with it's URL painted on the front window. www.audio-one.ca resolves to a stereo store at the north end of Toronto around Steels. --Crispincowan (talk) 19:59, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I found confirmation that the first season was shot in Toronto. I believe the second was as well, though I haven't found proof yet. However, articles are saying that the third season is being filmed in Austin, TX. Tlneedham (talk) 20:36, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

what is the big secret about location? One reason for watching HGTV is to understand market values in given areas. They always show the same high rise office location so it must be in a major city (in Canada?)172.242.217.172 (talk) 03:11, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Whole house ??

In the remodel of 10/3/12 the brothers did a nice job of doing the first floor, but the upstairs was never shown. Where does the family sleep ???? In the living room ??? How can they move in with nowhere to sleep ??? Also: just a side note....don't they EVER shave??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.13.3 (talk) 19:02, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Software used for design

Does anyone know what software is used to show the step thru of the remodel and visualized finished property?

205.142.112.53 (talk) 14:40, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Brother Vs Brother link

The link to Brother Vs Brother goes to a Jackie Chan film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.9.60.251 (talk) 16:54, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The link to the Property Brothers web site does go to W Network and ends in ".com|. There is no discrepency. Reference: http://www.wnetwork.com/shows/buying-and-selling-property-brothers. Diditrek.

Articles on brothers?

Should articles be created on the brothers? The IMDB articles (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1214605/bio and http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1214605/bio) could be a good place to start. --PhotographerTom (talk) 14:43, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My Dream Home

Recently caught on to this show. In the UK it seems to be retitled to My Dream Home. Beeurd (talk) 20:28, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Copy edit

I have accepted the request to copy edit this article. I will keep you posted on how things are progressing! David Thibault (talk) 22:06, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

THANKS!--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 19:11, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Esprit15d: I have completed my copy edit of the article and have posted some queries below! Please review them carefully and let me know if you have any questions. Some of the queries only require you to sign off on a change that I made. When you have completed your review, please let me know. Thanks! David Thibault (talk) 00:51, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@David Thibault:Thank you so much for your copyedit! It's so thorough and conscientious. I will definitely be using your suggestions. I've made a few comments below.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 02:54, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Esprit15d: Thank you for reviewing the queries! I have added a resolved mark to the ones that are resolved. When time permits you can tackle the remaining ones, and I'm available for further consultation should you require it (just give me a shout). It was a pleasure to work on the article! David Thibault (talk) 22:15, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@David Thibault: Thanks! The reference formatting and tables still need work, which will take time. But thanks again for everything. I really look forward to working with you again.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 22:19, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Esprit15d: You're welcome! It's a great article! David Thibault (talk) 22:23, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Copy editing queries

Infobox

For "Original Network", both "W Network" and "HGTV" are listed, but in the Development section of the article it seems to say that W Network was the original network, with HGTV deciding a little later to also become involved. This is a minor issue, but to make things clear I recommend deleting "HGTV" from the infobox.

It's complicated, but I think that's better.

Resolved Looks good! David Thibault (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

For "Picture format", "1080i (HDTV)" may need to be updated to more current technology. Is the show broadcast in 1080p or 4K?

I'll check.

Development

Change "sizzle reel" to read "showreel"? ("Sizzle reel" seems to be a less-common term.)

I used that term because it's the term that they use frequently.

Resolved That's fine then! David Thibault (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I added some clarifying text to the following sentence. Please review the change to ensure that the information is accurate:

"Jonathan and Drew submitted a video of themselves making over their older brother's living room."

Looks good.

Resolved David Thibault (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In the last sentence of the first paragraph, I recommend the following change, but only if it is correct:

"Originally, the network production company wanted Drew to work as the contractor because of his physique; however, when they realized that Jonathan was licensed, they switched the roles."

Looks good.

Resolved David Thibault (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Production

I made the following edit in the first paragraph. Please review the change to ensure that the information is accurate:

"Additionally, building permits are typically ready prior to construction, and their the brothers’ projects take priority with their suppliers."

Awesome.

Resolved Thanks! David Thibault (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed a sentence in the second paragraph that may need to be revised. It says that "applicants must apply as a couple (whether they be spouses, partners, friends, or family)", but in the previous section of the article (Premise), the second sentence mentions "featured families and individuals", suggesting that single people can also appear on the show.

Well, families or individuals apply, but if you're an individual, someone has to come on the show with you, like a best friend. I'll brainstorm how to make that clearer.

Resolved The change you made looks good! David Thibault (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In the fourth paragraph, the second sentence states that season 3 was filmed in Austin and Toronto, but the table in the Episodes section shows season 3 being filmed in Austin, Toronto, and Vancouver.

I'll sort through that too.

Resolved The change you made looks good! David Thibault (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Episodes

The dates in the table will need to be carefully reviewed for accuracy. I consulted the "List of Property Brothers episodes" page, which the table links to, and it appears that the dates in this table are a mix of both the W Network, HGTV, and Amazon. Some of the dates also do not match those listed on the tables on the “episodes” page.

I am super rusty on tables, and did not make them. I'm not sure who did, but I'll have to take time to sort through that info with references.

Okay! Since you've decided to go with day-month-year for the dates in the rest of the article, remember to go with the same format for the dates in the table. David Thibault (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the date in the infobox for "Original release" should be reformatted so it is day-month-year. I looked at it but didn't change it, as it seems to be set up with a "Start date". I will leave it to you to make the change. David Thibault (talk) 22:45, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend choosing air dates for one network only, and applying a note to both the "First aired" and the "Last aired" column headings, explaining which network the dates apply to. A reliable reference for the air dates should be consulted to ensure that each date is accurate.

References

In references 5, 13, and 28 the author’s last name should appear first (e.g. Laura, Robert). Resolved
In reference 17, I recommend changing the text for page numbers so it reads "pp. 226–227"
In reference 26, "Property" is misspelled. Resolved
In reference 31, is "56600" correct?
In reference 48, there appears to be some missing information. Resolved

Regarding the references as a whole, I recommend going through them and ensuring that a consistent style is applied to the entries, and that all required information has been entered (author names, dates). If I am correct, Wikipedia automatically arranges the information in the correct order, but minor issues like commas, periods, parentheses, and colons should be consistent for each entry. For example, reference 18 uses a period after the first date, but reference 23 uses a comma (but should, in fact, use a period, for the sake of consistency).

The dates that appear in the references also do not follow a consistent style, probably because different authors have added to the article over time. I recommend going through them and changing them as necessary. Wikipedia’s Manual of Style recommends the following formats:

day-month-year (e.g. 10 June 1921)

month-day-year (e.g. June 10, 1921)

Yeah, the references need cleanup. I will go through and make the changes.

The dates look good! When time permits you'll want to go through the references and make sure that each one has an author name, a publication date, a title (article title or book title), a publication name, and a retrieved date. The consistency of the dates alone makes a huge difference though! David Thibault (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Works Cited

In the first entry, I recommend writing the full publication date to achieve consistency with the second entry (month-day-year).

I'll look into that too.

Resolved Looks good! David Thibault (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Copy editing queries submitted David Thibault (talk) 00:44, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Property Brothers/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: TheDoctorWho (talk · contribs) 01:36, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Opening Comments

Welcome to the review for Property Brothers. I will find issues, inform you of them and you will do the work solving them. If necessary I will make very minor edits to fix minor issues. Good luck. TheDoctorWho (talk) 01:36, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Issues

First of all I think a sentence needs added to the lead if there is information on renewal of a current, upcoming, or latest season.
- I've added that the show's been renewed. Let me know if that is sufficient.
  - Partially Done Is there a sorce?
    - I lifted it from the article where it is sourced. I know sources aren't always needed for the lead, but let me know if you would like me to add it.
In the infobox there is a link to the Canada HGTV website, if the shows website is different for the U.S. is it possible to add the U.S. link too. (If they're the same or very similar there is no point).
- Added.
  - Partially Done Looks like it caused a minor issue in the infobox i'll see if i can fix it
    - Let me know if I need to do something else.
In the production and distribution section there is a source for the shows on Hulu and Amazon is it possible to add one to Netflix?
- It looks confusing, reference #31 applies to Netflix and Amazon.
  - Done
It might especially be good to note whether it is the Canadian Netflix or U.S. Netflix or both considering Netflix carries vastly different content in different countries.
- Interesting that you mention that, because the original source said the show airs on Netflix on in some reginons. I've updated the article to reflect that.
  - Done
From what I can tell Hulu is only available in the United States so maybe split into two different sentences one about U.S. streaming and one for Canadian streaming.
- I am willing to do this, but the show airs in over 250 countries in a variety of ways, so that was written more as an overview. But if you think it does matter, I'll split it.
  - Done No need to split it's alright the way it is. I thought that when it was for just U.S. and Can but since it's an overview for all it's the way it is.
In the reception section is there any info on Canadian reception? Doesn't need a whole paragraph just a sentence or two like the U.S. portion in the same paragraph would be alright.
- Good point. It is significantly harder to find Canadian info for some reason, but I will definitely investigate that.
  - Done It'll be alright without them, if you find them later add them in.
In the list of episodes are there dates to fill in the blanks, and if not is it possible to fill them in with N/A. Also note if the dates in there are the U.S. dates, Canadian dates, or the earliest and latest for both.
- I'm ashamed to say how much time I've devoted to trying to find those missing dates. I may or may not have called and emailed both the network and production company in Canada, who made promises to get back to me and quickly forgot I exist. I will add "N/A" for now, but my search is not over. Trust me.
  - Done Works for now. Same thing, if you get them at some point just add them in.

Alright that should be about it for now I'll do a second read through when after some of the issues are addressed. I'm gonna that I'm very surprised by this article, there is a source for almost every sentence in it. TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:18, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@TheDoctorWho: Thank you for your input and I look forward to any more improvements you may have on the article.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 02:59, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Second Read

@Esprit15d:

I think it looks good. I'll try and fix the infobox and if you'll add the source for the lead I think that should be the last two things. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:21, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @TheDoctorWho:Thank you! Let me know :)
  - Done

Review Table

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	No major spelling or grammar issues noticed
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Follows mos
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	References for almost every sentence in the article
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.	No original research
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	No copyright violations detected
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Continues with main topic
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Does not into or focus unnecessary detail
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Neutral point of view
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	No editwars or major information constantly being removed or added
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	All images have full fair use rationales filled out
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	All images relate to the topic
	7. Overall assessment.	Passed

Closing Comments

@Esprit15d:I'm glad to announce that the article has passed and is now a good article nomination. I will finish up with the instructions listed on Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions. Congratulations and let me know if there is ever anything else I can do for you. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:07, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! It was a pleasure working with you!--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 04:14, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Same to you! A bot should update the page shortly and add the GA top icon.TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:20, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]