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Let us work in the best reference and presentation of archaeological sites of Cambodia beyond Angkor like Sambor Prei Kuk, Angkor Borei (Takeo), etc.

Should disambiguate Republican Party for Democracy and Renewal and generally try to link up social conscience with right-wing values.

I'm looking for the best picture or any informations about the KAF's U-6 (Beaver). It seem that the KAF had 3 aircrafts. But in 1971, during the viet cong's sapper attack at the Pochentong Air Base,at least 1 Beaver was destroyed.In 1972 at leat 1 Beaver was refurbished with a new engine. http://www.khmerairforce.com/AAK-KAF/AVNK-AAK-KAF/Cambodia-Beaver-KAF.JPG

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Should this be moved to Post-Angkor period?

The term Post-Angkor period seems more fitting IMO. --Dara (talk) 20:48, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously. I don't think this term is correct. I agree, this is the time when Cambodia was really in a slump, but I usually hear it referred to as Post-Angkor period. And I think Chaktomuk period in Khmer. This really needs to be figured out before other languages start creating articles based on this article's name which not be correct or accepted by historians on Cambodian history. The Thai Wikipedia already has an article based on the the "dark ages" ephithet. Im not sure about the Vietnamese name, but it looks like it might be a translation based on this Wikipedia article's name too. --Dara (talk) 09:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cambodian victory against the Dutch

Chakrabartty, H. R. (1988). Vietnam, Kampuchea, Laos, Bound in Comradeship: A Panoramic Study of Indochina from Ancient to Modern Times, Volume 2. Patriot Publishers. ISBN 8170500486. Retrieved 16 February 2014. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Cormack, Don (2001). Killing Fields, Living Fields: An Unfinished Portrait of the Cambodian Church - The Church That Would Not Die. Contributor Peter Lewis (reprint ed.). Kregel Publications. ISBN 0825460026. Retrieved 16 February 2014. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Fielding, Leslie (2008). Before the Killing Fields: Witness to Cambodia and the Vietnam War (illustrated ed.). I.B.Tauris. ISBN 978-1845114930. Retrieved 16 February 2014. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Kiernan, Ben (2008). Blood and Soil: A World History of Genocide and Extermination from Sparta to Darfur. Melbourne Univ. Publishing. ISBN 978-0522854770. Retrieved 16 February 2014. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Kiernan, Ben (2002). The Pol Pot Regime: Race, Power, and Genocide in Cambodia Under the Khmer Rouge, 1975-79 (illustrated ed.). Yale University Press. ISBN 0300096496. Retrieved 16 February 2014. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Osborne, Milton (2008). Phnom Penh : A Cultural History: A Cultural History. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0199711734. Retrieved 16 February 2014. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
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A Cambodian Prince was convinced to convert to Islam by Malay merchants in 1642, and took control of the country. He and the Malays declared a jihad and initiated a massacre in Phnom Penh of Dutch Christians, and in 1643-1644 waged a war against the Dutch in the Mekong delta which the Cambodians won. The Dutch were defeated and driven out.

http://books.google.com/books?id=R5p7cRyK748C&pg=PA157&dq=1643+dutch+vietnam&hl=en&sa=X&ei=o_i4Uv6xItLLsQSmsILoDg&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=1643%20dutch%20vietnam&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=l8TVTCJSJKcC&pg=PA253&dq=1643+dutch+vietnam&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_PG4UoCxI8jRsATg5oHgBg&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=1643%20dutch%20vietnam&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=VOtzHnVLZo4C&pg=PA27&dq=1643+dutch+vietnam&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_PG4UoCxI8jRsATg5oHgBg&ved=0CGEQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=1643%20dutch%20vietnam&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=SRfg1yx_4F0C&pg=PA45&dq=1643+dutch+vietnam&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_PG4UoCxI8jRsATg5oHgBg&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=1643%20dutch%20vietnam&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=mINZclfikIsC&pg=PA447&dq=1643+dutch+vietnam&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_PG4UoCxI8jRsATg5oHgBg&ved=0CEQQ6AEwAw

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Rajmaan (talk) 19:16, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sources and focus

Hi! Although the article is written with remarkable eloquence, it focuses very much on episodes and results. There are plenty of sources - which should be in here, in order to paint the whole picture. It is not very enlightening, when 50% of all existing sources refer to a single event (Killing of the Dutch). This can hardly be a defining moment of the Dark Ages. Additionally, most historians are very careful with the evaluation of facts, e.g. the Siamese conquest and, in particular - their consequences.

Wikirictor (talk) 14:41, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally - the majority of our sources do not include the French Protectorate 1863-1953 into this period.
The article History of Cambodia follows this distinction.

Many historians prefer to call the era the "Middle Period" - at least the 16th and 17th centuries.

All the Best -btw.....let's talk about it!!!!

Wikirictor (talk) 10:13, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is nobody bothered providing sources and footnotes for all the other information in the article not that the sources in the article are focused on the war against the Dutch. I have sources for the 1597 event where the Malays defeated the Spanish expedition and I will be putting it in the article in the future when I have time.Rajmaan (talk) 16:44, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Don't panic

I have uploaded a new head section - please join in! i still have the structure of the old one - in case the un-do button fails.
if nothing happens, i am going to go through the rest as well.

ATB
Wikirictor (talk) 11:24, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We should remove the French Protectorate 1863-1953 section!!! Talk to me, please!

All the best
Wikirictor (talk) 11:33, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! The paragraphs: Cambodia's struggle for survival, 1432–1863 and Domination by Siam and by Vietnam are 100% copies of the public domain site, which is easy work on the one hand but unfortunately refer back to just one single (secondary) source. I have inserted a new paragraph, btw. The Template:History of Cambodia has these era subs: Chaktomuk era Longvek era Srey Santhor era Oudong era Loss of Mekong Delta to Vietnam. WE should stick to these.

ATBWikirictor (talk) 21:41, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Acknowledgement

most published texts on history remain unaltered since the 1960ies and reflect the historiography of the Georges Coedes era. There is no doubt Georges Coedes is one of the greatest historians for Cambodia, who has provided lots of pioneering work and lead the way of methodology.... But since his retirement many new sources, in particular great numbers of Khmer inscriptions have become available. Hardly noticed, entire sections reviewed in the 70ies and 80ies, them replaced in turn in the 90ies and so on... However, as debate among historians progresses normally, archaeology and geo-dating getting more and more important, publishers of second and third grade resources stubbornly copy the (in some cases 60 years) old texts.

Wikirictor (talk) 05:28, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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