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Americans that went to Portugal

Hi, what about americans that went to Portugal? And got portuguese nationality, such as Richard Zimler? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.26.181.152 (talk) 20:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Kate Perry

Portuguese American? Opinoso (talk) 18:31, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I could see no Portuguese connection in Katy Perry's biography in Wikipedia. The name Perry is apparently of Welsh origen. The article on Tom Hanks states that his mother was Portuguese American, although her name, Janet Marylyn Frager, is not a Portuguese name. As for Brooke Burke the article claims she has Portuguese ancestry, which could be any distant relative having been born in Portugal. Mary Astor at least has a Portuguese name, Vasconcellos, in her heritage. I think that the author of this article on Portuguese Americans struggled to find someone famous who was Portuguese American. I was surprised not to see John Philip Sousa, whose grandparents were Portuguese, who is certainly more famous internationally than Brooke Burke or Ramana Vieira. With this generous definition of a Portuguese American then I, whose grandparents on one side were Danish, would be a Danish American. I don't consider myself one, whatever one is. Vogensen (talk) 10:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Her birth name is Hudson. Perry is a stage name. 2604:6000:D182:51F0:253E:FE07:5410:83F7 (talk) 20:26, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You are basically right. If one counts as Portuguese-Americans all the US citizens that have some Portuguese ancestor, they would probably be millions... I believe one should only include here people that self-identify as P-A. This is a matter of ethnic identity, not of ancestors. The Ogre (talk) 14:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As a note, Tom Hanks mother's parents were Clarence Frager (son of Manuel Fraga and Mary Enos or Inácio) and Elenia Rose (daughter of Manuel Rosa and Josefina Borges). Regarding Kate Perry (or rather, Katheryn Elizabeth Hudson, Perry being her mother's maiden name) I couldn't find exact info, but Perry is indeed a name many Portuguese adopted (being originally named Pereira or Pires) in the US, as can be seen in the case of Joe Perry. Still, that doesn't make P-A! Cheers. The Ogre (talk) 14:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So, in accordance, I'm removing them from the article. The Ogre (talk) 14:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Perry

I was surprised to see no mention of Steve Perry, Journey's singer. His parents were from Cape Verde. He is probably the most famous Portuguese American. [Source: http://steveperryfanclub.homestead.com/RocklineInterview.html] -- 216.237.177.2 (talk) 18:43, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cape Verde is not Portugal and Capeverdians are not Portuguese. The Ogre (talk) 11:38, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What about Jacksonville, Illinois?

I was surprised that the authors did not explicitly identify the migration of the “exiles of Madeira,” to the United States. They left Madeira due to religious persecution and settled in the Jacksonville and Springfield Illinois area in the mid 1840’s through the 1850’s. An account of this was published by the Presbyterian Board of Publications in 1860. openlibrary.org/books/OL7152340M/The_exiles_of_Madeira

I was born and raised in Jacksonville, and about a third of the county has Portuguese ancestry. They “won” their U.S. citizenship by fighting for the Union in the Civil War. My ancestor, Antonio P. Vasconcellas was a private in the Co. G, 114th Illinois Infantry Regiment.

In fact the church records for Northminister Presbyterian Church, in Jacksonville, were kept in Portuguese until the 1920’s. When the church celebrated its sesquicentennial in November 1999, I had the privilege of assisting in reading the members names during the roll call. We read over 1200 names.

Humbly,

Charles T. Bowen Jr.
Sterling, Virginia
November 8, 2011
130.16.210.10 (talk) 21:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Francisco

I strongly suggest adding Peter Francisco's picture to the photos at the top of important Portuguese-Americans, but I worried that I'd have to delete of the the existing ones to keep it all nicely lined up and even. Personally, I think he could replace Katy Perry, who's a bubblegum singer, and according to General Washington, without Peter Francisco, the Revolution would have been lost. Thoughts? Chrisrus (talk) 20:41, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Francisco

I agree. His picture would be better than Katie Perry's.Goodsdrew (talk) 00:54, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Concur. Way better. -- Alexf^(talk) 10:16, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cities and towns unsourced

At the bottom there are a couple of long lists: "By State" and "Cities and Towns". Totally unsourced and many of them made up. Furthermore, what constitutes a threshold for inclusion? 1% of the population? 10 people? In my area (Miami, FL, USA) we have one Portuguese restaurant. To my knowledge that is it. Is it enough to be included in the list? (it is now). Where did they get the info? (no sources). How many Portuguese people are here (no sources). 100? 1,000? 10,000? The article doesn't say. I say get rid of the whole list until sources are provided. -- Alexf^(talk) 10:12, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

After a few month (a few? how about 7?) and nobody cared to comment, the unsourced list was removed as useless. -- Alexf^(talk) 16:00, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What about current US Secretary of Energy Ernest Moniz, should he be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.28.65.142 (talk) 21:44, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of dos passos picture in the infobox

That is just vandalism. the best presented luso-americans are shown in the infobox under collection of pictures. Dos Passos figures in Encyclopedia Larousse which only features famous people, non famous, not. This needs a wikipedia administrator. All Confused Things Made Unconfused (talk) 07:19, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Etymology

Why "luso-"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick Barnett (talk • contribs) 10:13, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Editing the page

Hello Wikipedians,

I have been doing some research for a class project and have found some useful information that could be added. In total I would probably be adding somewhere between 200 and 300 words to the article as well as some citations to existing information. I plan to include reasons for immigration to the United States, most common places Portuguese migrants ended up, and the most common jobs held based upon location. Portuguese that remained on the East Coast often worked in textile plants, while Portuguese in Hawaii and California were often in agriculture and many on the east coast and some in California were either fisherman or whalers. Common reason for migration were the number of available low-skill jobs in the United States. Where they moved also determined their socio-economic status. Portuguese that migrated to California often found the most success operating farms or working on the farms of others while saving to purchase land. Portuguese migration to Hawaii was largely due to the aid that was received to migrate there with their families though this often took a long time before debts were paid back which led to a lower status. Those that remained on the East Coast had a relatively easy time to find low skill jobs in the factories or as fishermen or whalers.^[1] This information can be found in Maria Ioannis Benis Baganha dissertation "The Social Mobility of Portuguese Immigrants in the United States at the Turn of the Nineteenth Century" published in The International Migration Review. If you have any feedback, or questions I would appreciate it if you added anything here or on my talk page.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JustinStern (talk • contribs) 18:27, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Baganha, Maria Ionnis Benis (Summer 1991). "The Social Mobility of Portuguese Immigrants in the United States at the Turn of the Nineteenth Century". The International Migration Review. 25 (2): 277-302. Retrieved 1 December 2020.

The definition does not conform to normal English usage

A two-word phrase like "Portuguese American" normally denotes a person or thing which is basically the second word, but with some characteristics of the first. For example, "African American" is commonly understood to mean a US citizen who has some African ancestry. As another example, there are many British and American citizens who retire to Portugal, but never seek Portuguese citizenship. Nobody would ever refer to any of them as "American Portuguese" or "British Portuguese". They're Americans and Britons who happen to reside in Portugal.

This article, however, includes as "Portuguese American" someone who is a Portuguese citizen, and not a US citizen, residing in the United States. I believe it should be corrected to define "Portuguese American" as an American citizen who has Portuguese ancestry or origin. Insulation2 (talk) 10:20, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No hispanic.

There is no mention of hispanic in this page. Dies everyone know the american of portuguese ancestry counted as hispanic? 2404:8000:1027:3C00:B89F:D196:DA4F:1DE8 (talk) 06:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Citation 18 does not lead to proper data

Citation 18 does not lead to any justification of the information that it supports (supposedly)--I'm pretty sure that the Portuguese are the second largest ethnic group in RI according to the ACS data--alsonnot sure why the article on RI separates Italian and Portuguese but keeps "Northern European" as one group 108.34.251.48 (talk) 12:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ludlow, Massachusetts

There is a very large Portuguese population located in Ludlow, Massachusetts which has branched off into surrounding municipalities. There is a Portuguese festival held every year in Ludlow. Why does this not get mentioned on the page? Tom950 (talk) 00:11, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Baganha, Maria Ionnis Benis (Summer 1991). "The Social Mobility of Portuguese Immigrants in the United States at the Turn of the Nineteenth Century". The International Migration Review. 25 (2): 277-302. Retrieved 1 December 2020.

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