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Porto Metro

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Firstly, I'd like to invite anyone interested in Porto to join WikiProject Porto. The project is currently in my userspace and will be moved to project space if enough people join.

Secondly, User:PedroPVZ and I have had a discussion about the "services" on line D. I personally feel that the Line D trains that stop at Polo U. do not constitute a separate service to those that carry on to H. Sao Joao, in the way that the "Express" on line B is a separate service.

Thirdly, the bluelinks to related concepts, rather than articles about the stations themselves, can be replaced with links to article about the stations themselves. There is no need to remove the bluelinks to related concepts, but I am creating articles about some of the stations and hope other will follow suit, especially if a photo or something unique about the station itself can be included. Deizio 14:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • hmmm, seems ok. But I still see the Expresso and the two services in line D as having the same value, but the best would be to include a map of the network, this article needs a lot of work. About the stations, you have a point, Trindade station is the work of Siza Vieira for instance, and some underground stations were a nice job in architecture and engineering. As for the grade level stations, Souto Moura has done a not so good job (in fact, pretty bad comparing to the underground ones) and a scheme to change them is underway. Except for the Airport station, that is above ground, but it is very nice. About Porto, there's a lot to tell, and I'm a little scared about the work that will give. --Pedro 18:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Map

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Can we use a map from the official site? Or maybe even an edited one.

Merge with List of Porto metro stations

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Shouldn't we merge this page with the one that lists the metro stations? Actually, it wouldn't be a merge since the page that only lists the station names is already included within this one, except for minor details. I see no need for duplicate information. Alternatively this article would focus only on the history of the metro system in Porto and the other would focus on the network. If the latter is preferred we should take the network part out of this article and link to the article with the network. I won't reintroduce the merger proposal I once did but this is my reasoning for it and I believe it still stands. --JoaoCastro 05:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I've redirected the list to the metro page, no point maintaining both lists. If the main article gets beefed up they can be split but its not worth it at the moment. Deizio 21:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Images of the trains?

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For an article on the Metro do Porto, this article is lacking a little in photos of the actual trains... I haven't taken my camera out the last few times I rode on it, but I might try snapping a few next time I get the chance... 87.196.19.133 10:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Argh. That was me. Cctoide 10:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've got a bunch of metro pics, I just haven't had the time to put a lot of them up. I'm dithering over whether to put up more articles about stations, I created IPO (station) because it looks nice, and I've got more photos and stuff for Trindade (station) but others?? I got some of Lapa which has interesting graffiti but not sure if its terribly notable. Combatentes should look good when it's finished and there's potential to tie in stuff about the war and naming of the area, however I'll likely be gone by that time. Articles on Metro stations tend to be immune from deletion by common practice but there should be something to say. Anyway, my thoughts on this are at the brand spanking new Wikipedia:WikiProject Porto, all welcome. Deizio 21:02, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ticket

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  • I re-introduced the page about the Andante ticket. I feel it is important to have a page describing the card technology in more detail. The Porto Metro page focuses on the pricing, use and zoning. The ticket page focuses on the system behind it and what was the first major roll-out of a fully contactless ticketing system in the world. There are several other articles describing the ticketing technology and cards around the world. I don't know as many details about the Andante system but take a look at the Octopus_card used in Hong-Kong for reference. --JoaoCastro 16:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added some needed info, if you want to clean plz do. The history section is poor, and info can be found in the Portuguese article (it misses completly the major change in the metro recently (the opening of the major section of the red line.)

An the pic of the ticket being validated is pretty cool, and maybe I'll stop seeing some wierd things that people do with the ticket. LOL.--Pedro 13:52, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Biggest construction site in Europe

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I find this claim rather dubios. Especially considering that Madrid was building around the same time 40 km of subway tunnel (if not more). I fail to see how tunneling 40 kilometers of subway would be a "less big" construction site then a light rail system that is only marginally longer.

Eboracum 07:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes indeed. What about the huge renovation works Berlin underwent since the fall of the Berlin wall? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.214.255.136 (talk) 14:49, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:MetroPorto-logo.jpg

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Revising and completing information in network section

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The current network section is incomplete and it repeats a lot of information from the history section (which is already not so extensive). I'd suggest considering what information should be there and whether this line by line breakdown is necessary. Details such as travel time and frequency could be summarized either into a table or into a general operations section.

Lastly, I'll provide with a link where one can see some statistics by line: https://observatorio.amt-autoridade.pt/home FilipeMRGouveia (talk) 13:37, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the suggestion: I tend to agree with you. If I find time in the next months, I will create a table or something similar. And thank you for the link: the statistics are really up to date (2022). KatVanHuis (talk) 07:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Name change

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I think the name change from 'Metro do Porto' to 'Porto Metro' is problematic. Though the network is well maintained, extensive and useuful, it's clearly "only" a light rail system. I prefer to keep the Portugese name to avoid confusion, similar to the other light rail line near Lisbon: Metro Transportes do Sul. KatVanHuis (talk) 07:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello FilipeMRGouveia and other readers. In connection to my remark (August 25th), I'd like to ask: what's your personal preference? Either A. Metro do Porto, B. Lightrail in Porto or C. a new title? KatVanHuis (talk) 16:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @KatVanHuis, thank you for bringing up this issue :) . Personally, I do not particularly mind the name "Porto metro" as a translation of "Metro do Porto", the official transport's name. Porto's Metro could be an alternative translation, but it doesn't sound correct to me personally for an article name. In other article pages for systems called "Metro de xxxx" in other Latin based language countries, they seem to translate it similarly (see Madrid Metro or Bogotá Metro).
I think either keeping the current name or changing it to its native name "Metro do Porto" (as is the case with Berlin U-Bahn) are both valid options and I'm not partial to either, but I am less keen in the name "Lightrail in Porto". I think the average reader may have a harder time finding the article or may find it confusing. That said, I do think that the difference between metro and light rail is technically important and could/should be briefly highlighted in the article. Lastly, I'd highlight that Metro do Porto is not unique in calling itself "Metro", while being a light rail system (see Tyne and Wear Metro). FilipeMRGouveia (talk) 07:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello FilipeMRGouveia and thank you for your detailed reply. Indeed "Metro do Porto" is the official name and that is totally fine as Wikipedia can both use that name and explain the light rail alignment. Thanks for the thought on the Madrid Metro, yet that is an article about a "real" metro and so a translation to English is easy to accept. For the additional and more complicated system, the native name is still used: Metro Ligero.
I had not yet noticed the native name for the Berlin network: thank you for pointing that out. I will then drop my suggestion "Lightrail in Porto" as it is not a common name-style at Wikipedia. I will change it back to "Metro do Porto" after a few days of waiting for more opinions.
PS: indeed Metro do Porto is not unique in calling itself "Metro", there's also Muni Metro which is (like Metro Ligero and Metro do Porto) a network combining tram and metro aspects. KatVanHuis (talk) 16:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 September 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) RodRabelo7 (talk) 19:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Porto Metro → Metro do Porto – Although being a great network for being well maintained, extensive and useful, it's clearly "only" a light rail system. I prefer to use the Portugese name to avoid confusion, similar to the light rail line near Lisbon: Metro Transportes do Sul. Additionally the new name is mildly more popular. KatVanHuis (talk) 10:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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