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Orphaned references in Persecution of Yazidis by Muslims

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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Persecution of Yazidis by Muslims's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "iranica":

  • From Ottoman Empire: Özgündenli, O. "Persian Manuscripts in Ottoman and Modern Turkish Libraries". Encyclopaedia Iranica (online ed.). Archived from the original on 22 January 2012.
  • From Yazidis in Syria: Allison, Christine (2004-02-20). "Yazidis i: General". Encyclopædia Iranica. Retrieved 20 August 2010.
  • From Kurds: Allison, Christine (2004-02-20). "Yazidis i: General". Encyclopædia Iranica. Retrieved 20 August 2010. There are probably some 200,000–300,000 Yazidis worldwide.
  • From Yazidis: Allison, Christine (20 February 2004). "Yazidis i: General". Encyclopædia Iranica. Retrieved 20 August 2010.

Reference named "TT20140824":

Reference named "plosmedicine":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 00:40, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ISIL

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The first couple of paragraphs needs an extra sentence explaining ISIL, but I don't know how to say it in formal language without it getting huge. The key points are that they have several other names, and they briefly had a self declared "state" that they tried to exterminate the Yazidi minority in, and they self-describe as Muslim but even Islamic extremists (e.g. Al Qaeda and the Taliban) are enemies of ISIL, and possibly that they also attacked Christians and Shia. The most important point is probably that even the other religious extremists are enemies of ISIL. Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 21:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Theofunny's revert of my edits

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User:Theofunny reverted my edits, saying 'Stick to sources and avoid Original Research. It is not the Wikipedia's job to be politically correct'. However, I believe that it is the version he reverted to that lacks support in the cited sources and hence violates Wikipedia's verifiability policies, not the one with my edits. As I explicitly stated in my edit summary: 'as far as I can see, none of the sources says that *all* Muslims hold this view' (that Yazidis are devil-worshippers)'. If Theofunny thinks the cited sources do support the claim that *all* present-day Muslims hold this view, he should provide a page and a quotation from the sources; the burden of proof is on him if he wants to keep the broad formulation, otherwise his reverts are a violation of WP:V. The same applies to the claim that '(all) the surrounding Muslims' (without exception) have been persecuting Yazidis'. This is not about 'political correctness', but about basic factual correctness and avoiding excessively sweeping and hence false statements. (The fact that the false statements also happen to cast a whole group of people in a negative light does make it even more important to correct them, but it doesn't mean that they are actually true.) It should also be noted that several of the citations do not give specific pages at all and refer to large page ranges instead, which makes it very difficult to verify the assertion that the sources support a given claim.

Another point is that 'Muslims and Islamists' is a silly formulation, since all Islamists by definition are Muslims. If the claim were true of all Muslims, it would be meaningless to add 'Islamists' as well. I assume that 'Islamists' refers here to the likes of ISIS, which are known to have recently committed genocide against the Yazidis, and which are more accurately described as 'Islamic extremists' (in contrast to moderate Islamists like Erdogan's party in Turkey, various parties in Indonesia etc., which are not known for any particular position on the issue of the Yazidis). I am not asking for a citation for the claim being true of Islamic extremists and I do not dispute that the sources confirm it with respect to them. This is why my edit narrowed down the claim to them. I did not add an unverified claim in this way ('Original Research'), I essentially removed a claim about all other Muslims that I consider to be unverified and that Theofunny should provide pages and quotations for.

Finally, I note that another user, Industrial Metal Brain, made similar objections and edits in October and these, too, were reverted by Theofunny; I am not the only one who sees the problem with such formulations. 62.73.72.3 (talk) 12:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, I do want to note that @User:Industrial Metal Brain made a WEASELy edit [1] with a lot of original reasoning and wasn't as clear as you but he still had a great point regarding the "sourcing" which I missed.
I agree that I did make a mistake by reverting your edits, and I also totally missed what you what you meant and even that the fact that you mentioned "sources" in the edit description. I think that it was because I was extremely fatigued that day due to dealing with anonymous vandals in wikipedia and some other personal stuff. You can notice it with my typing error "the Wikipedia" too. I also agree that "many" not all Muslims did historically hold this view and even "among" the followers of other Abrahamic religions did according to the sources which I added as per WP:NPOV. I read these sources, "devil", Yazidis | Oxford The Guardian The Kurds by Martin Short and it wasn't me who added the wording "Islamists and Muslims", had I paid attention earlier, I would have myself removed it.
I am also in complete agreement with the reasoning given in the description and what you have given right now, and will be careful with my reverts from now on, but I am disappointed with your outburst here [2], rather than ruining the lead, you could have pinged me earlier and I would have promptly responded and fixed it. It wasn't like I wrote the lead; it seems to have been the same for a long time. The lead doesn't need to be fully sourced which you might be aware of. Theofunny (talk) 13:40, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theofunny I don't think adding "some" counts as "original research" or weasely, or were you saying my summary was good? I haven't worked on this page for a few months, so I don't remember my edits. Looking at the history, you both have a point. We shouldn't make generalizations about the opinions of over a billion Muslims. If the source implies all Muslims, we should attribute it "according to Jane Jones, Muslims believe…" or rephrase it to be more plausible. "Some" is not ideal, but implying "all" is the wrong way to fix the problem with "some / many". The better solution is to be specific, e.g. "Sunni extremists", or a specific government or religious organization. Some of the edits by @Theofunny e.g. seem to do that well enough that we don't need to quote or attribute. Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 03:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theofunny but when I re-read you seem to have resolved the dispute already? So you can ignore my input if it is no longer needed. Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 03:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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