Talk:Pashtrik

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Name

Its name is Pashtrik not Paštrik. Could somebody change the name, please? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.139.112.70 (talk) 22:09, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It seems fairly clear its common name is written English is Pastrik, not Pashtrik, Paštrik, or Паштрик.[1] --Rumping (talk) 17:04, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Moving the page

I believe it is time to change the name - it is a mountain in Albania and Kosovo, both nations lack the letter 'š' which is not present in Albanian. Official Kosovo government websites, as well as tourist companies, all use Pashtrik even when speaking English, and not 'Paštrik' which is used only by a few news outlets on the battle that occurred there back in 1999. The name should be corrected to it's official name as a result. BleronZ (talk) 00:21, 26 July 2021 (UTC) BleronZ[reply]

Requested move 27 July 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 11:38, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Paštrik → Pashtrik – Pashtrik is a mountain ibetween Kosovo and Albania, and the ‘š’ character does not exist in either of those nations; officially, the name ‘Pashtrik’ is used.

Tourist companies/websites as well as academic reports, all in the English language, now utilise this name: - https://alpventurer.com/pashtrik-mountain/ - https://www.wikiloc.com/hiking-trails/pashtrik-traverse-2950082 - http://www.palmtreeproduction.com/Hikes%20and%20Climbs/Albania%20Climbs/Pashtrik/Pashtrik%20Gallery.html - https://butterflyoutdoor.com/pashtrik/ - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282149312_The_Pashtrik_Mountain_a_potential_protected_Landscape_area_Kosovo - http://www.keybiodiversityareas.org/site/factsheet/46565 - https://www.hikr.org/tour/post51479.html - https://geographic.org/geographic_names/name.php?uni=503079&fid=3575&c=kosovo

The Kosovo government also utilisés ‘Pashtrik’: - https://kryeministri-ks.net/en/draft-law-on-forests-approved-while-pashtrik-mountain-and-vermica-lake-announced-a-protected-area-in-the-category-of-nature-park/ - https://www.ammk-rks.net/repository/docs/Raporti_natyra_eng.pdf - https://mzhr.rks-gov.net/desk/inc/media/34EC69C2-E0F8-49EA-B4E7-42D71001F22C.pdf

In addition, signs in the area use the title ‘Pashtrik’. The only time that ‘Paštrik’ is used is in reference to the battles that occurred there during the Kosovo war in a few news reports, which does not represent the current official name that is used - even then, if we were to use that name, ‘Pashtrik’ would be the anglicised version.

Therefore, there is no proper reason as to why we should not change the current title of this article to Pashtrik, which: a) Fails to consider the current official name of the mountain and the area in general used by the government. b) Currenty utilises an unanglicised title not used by the officials or environmental scientists and the like of either Kosovo or Albania. c) Neglects that fact that modern hiking and tourism websites use the name Pashtrik in the English language, and they may confuse tourists and visitors who are researching the area. BleronZ (talk) 01:17, 27 July 2021 (UTC) BleronZ (talk) 01:17, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per extensively sourced nomination. A mountain between two Albanian-speaking nations would be indicated in the same form both in Albanian and English, neither of which uses a diacritic in rendering the name. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:07, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per sourced nom and wp:modernplacename —blindlynx (talk) 14:14, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per sourced and strong points raised above. Pashtrik (58600) also comfortably beats Paštrik (45200) on google search results and slightly beats Pastrik (56800). Keep in mind that Pastrik without the diacritic is a relatively common German surname and has other uses too. —Uniacademic (talk) 00:33, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:35, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Closing comment: I note the target edit history

 18:21, 26 July 2021‎ EmausBot talk contribs block‎ m  22 bytes −11‎  Bot: Fixing double redirect to Paštrik rollback: 4 edits Tags: Redirect target changed Manual revert
 01:55, 26 July 2021‎ EmausBot talk contribs block‎ m  33 bytes +11‎  Bot: Fixing double redirect to Pashtrik (Mountain)  Tags: Redirect target changed Manual revert Reverted
 10:51, 25 July 2021‎ EmausBot talk contribs block‎ m  22 bytes −11‎  Bot: Fixing double redirect to Paštrik  Tags: Redirect target changed Manual revert Reverted
 10:01, 25 July 2021‎ EmausBot talk contribs block‎ m  33 bytes +11‎  Bot: Fixing double redirect to Pashtrik (Mountain)  Tags: Redirect target changed Reverted
 10:43, 16 June 2011‎ Grutness talk contribs block‎  22 bytes −1,225‎  redirecting top identical article thank Tag: Reverted
 22:15, 5 April 2011‎ 139.139.112.70 talk block‎  1,247 bytes +1,247‎   Tags: repeating characters Reverted
 22:14, 5 April 2011‎ 139.139.112.70 talk block‎  empty −50‎  ←Blanked the page  Tag: Reverted
 22:13, 5 April 2011‎ 139.139.112.70 talk block‎  50 bytes 0‎  ←Redirected page to Paštrik  Tag: Reverted
 22:13, 5 April 2011‎ 139.139.112.70 talk block‎  50 bytes −1,155‎  ←Redirected page to Pashtrik  Tags: unusual redirect Reverted
 22:11, 5 April 2011‎ 139.139.112.70 talk block‎  1,205 bytes +1,155‎   Tags: repeating characters Reverted
 22:06, 2 October 2008‎ Ev talk contribs block‎  50 bytes +28‎  alternative name thank Tag: Reverted
 21:59, 2 October 2008‎ Ev talk contribs block‎  22 bytes +22‎  moved Pashtrik to Paštrik: Reverted undiscussed move which seems to be contrary to our naming conventions.

And also that the page is move protected - not surprisingly. Hopefully this RM will lead to stability. I have left the temporary move protection unchanged. Andrewa (talk) 11:43, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.