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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 2, 2024.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that SB19's second extended play (EP), Pagtatag!, is part of a trilogy about their artistry?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 23:07, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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SB19

... that SB19's (pictured) second extended play (EP), Pagtatag!, is part of a trilogy about their artistry? Source: Abad, Ysa (June 12, 2023). "SB19 Strengthens Their Identity in Pagtatag! EP". Rappler. Archived from the original on November 11, 2023. Retrieved December 23, 2023.
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Created by Abacusada (talk). Self-nominated at 16:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Pagtatag!; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

New enough and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. Hook fact checks out and is in nomination. No textual issues. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:09, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the review, Sammi Brie! – Abacusada (t • c) 14:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 17:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: Relayed (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Averageuntitleduser (talk · contribs) 14:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saw your work over at "Gento", and this nomination convinced me to listen to the full project. To put it lightly, I'm sold! Averageuntitleduser (talk) 14:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's cool! Glad you like the EP as much as I did! Looking forward to your review. :) – Relayed(né Abacusada) (t • c) 14:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Well-written

I might have to use EM dashes more often, they work so smoothly here. Otherwise, the prose feels very clear. Right, here goes:

in the band's ongoing music trilogy—following Pagsibol (2021)—with artistic themes on — these themes could be taken as applying to the whole trilogy, moreso than just Pagtatag!.
Paraphrased: I agree; I've seen this coming but did not know how to paraphrase it back then. Let me know if the wording is okay.
who previously worked on Pagsibol, — I would replace the comma with a closing EM dash.
Replaced
hence using gold mining as a metaphor, — the sentence seems to already say this. To yoink this from the "Gento" article, perhaps you could replace it with, "using gold mining as a metaphor for the group's career".
Replaced
in a slow soul R&B production — "against slow soul R&B production"?
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adrenaline-rushing — this descriptor feels more promotional/abstract than the others, so I'd put quotation marks around it.
Added quotes
Ah, I presumed this was literally in the source, I tweaked it a bit if you don't mind. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 17:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
setting free trials — what does this mean?
Paraphrased: It is supposed to mean letting go of struggles or similar, which, looking back, indeed does not read well. I hope "escaping from struggles" would read better.
All-Out Sundays—on May 21, 2023—and ASAP Natin 'To—on June 11, 2023—respectively — the dates seem to be written in a, well, respective way, so perhaps: "All-Out Sundays and ASAP Natin on May 21 and June 11, 2023, respectively.
Done – Relayed(né Abacusada) (t • c) 08:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Verifiable with no original research

Ref formatting looks very clean and (wow) all sources are reliable for what they cite. Paraphrasing is used very effectively, and Earwig shows an impressive score of 17%.

Spot-check

Lago, Amanda (June 22, 2021). "SB19's New EP Pagsibol is Truly Their Own". Rappler. Archived from the original on November 18, 2023. Retrieved November 18, 2023.
- Their departure from dance-pop is a reasonable inference, looks good Y
Abad, Ysa (June 12, 2023). "SB19 Strengthens Their Identity in Pagtatag! EP". Rappler. Archived from the original on November 11, 2023. Retrieved November 11, 2023.
- The "Gento" and "Crimzone" sentences are further supported by other refs, looks good Y
Saulog, Gabriel (September 29, 2023). "SB19's Pagtatag! is a Masterclass in Confidence and Versatility – Review". Billboard Philippines. ISSN 2984-9861. Archived from the original on October 20, 2023. Retrieved October 20, 2023.
- Cebuano is confirmed by the lyric and mention of Bisaya in the other source, looks good Y
Bautista, Rafael (May 19, 2023). "SB19 Strike Gold as They Show How It's Done in 'Gento'". Nylon Manila. Archived from the original on June 26, 2023. Retrieved June 26, 2023.
- Can't find the "clapping" and "strong bass beats", did you mean to compound it with the Mega source? Looks good otherwise.
  Whoops, my bad. Yep. The Mega article should support those claims. I have added a citation next to it for verifiability. – Relayed(né Abacusada) (t • c) 17:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"SB19 Returns to Good Day New York, Performs 'Gento'". ABS-CBN News. August 10, 2023. Archived from the original on August 11, 2023. Retrieved August 11, 2023.
- Looks good Y

Broad in its coverage

The article generally looks quite nice on this front. I was expecting more info about the EP's production, but the interviews with the group are so very scarce on details. I imagine this is common among many large P-pop or K-pop type groups, so it's alright. However:

Any mention of the group being self-managed under 1Z Entertainment for the project? For reference, this Rappler interview discusses it. (it doesn't have much else of note in terms of production)
Thanks for bringing this up! I have added information regarding 1Z in the background and development section.
If you haven't already, I would consider looking over this Clash interview for any potential details, it's quite vague, but who knows.
I have read through the transcripts of the interview. I don't think there are other details I could add from the interview since most of them are quite trivial. Though, Pablo's answer to one question is quite promising, it's quite, as you've said, vague.
I'll leave this as even more conditional. For the reception section, this Bulatlat article claims that the EP strengthened the P-pop movement, among other things. And this Inquirer piece upon release has some more reception scraps. The Bulatlat article seems decently-written, but I'm not sure if the company holds much weight in Filipino media. Anyways, I'll only leave these sources as considerations.
I have added both Bulatlat and Inquirer articles. Bulatlat has been cited in some articles and has disclosed its editorial team, so I think it'll be a fine add. The Inquirer article has only a few details to go out off, so it is a bit of a stretch. – Relayed(né Abacusada) (t • c) 13:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for these finds! I will take a look at these soon. – Relayed(né Abacusada) (t • c) 08:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

See the minor quibble about the quotation marks, but otherwise, no issues on this front. The article is balanced and all quotations are attributed.

Stable

No recent content disputes or edit wars.

Illustrated

The cover art and samples have proper fair use rationales; the images from Flickr and the YouTube video are both Creative Commons.

Summary

Thanks for your patience, this was a lovely read, great work! Averageuntitleduser (talk) 04:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reviewing and copyediting the article and for your kind words! I will make sure to address your comments right away. – Relayed(né Abacusada) (t • c) 05:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Averageuntitleduser: Hi! I have finished addressing all your comments. Hopefully, everything has been done to your liking. Do let me know if you have anything else. I will be waiting for the spot checks as well. – Relayed(né Abacusada) (t • c) 13:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like the changes and additions! Only one thing to solve for the spot-check. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 17:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Averageuntitleduser: Thanks! I have replied to the spot check above. Let me know if you have anything else! – Relayed(né Abacusada) (t • c) 17:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do believe that's everything, I am now happy to pass this article! Averageuntitleduser (talk) 17:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.