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Rivalry?

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Is this really a rivalry? The two teams have met in some high-profile games, but the word "rivalry" implies a level of animosity that is not supported by any evidence in the article. – PeeJay 17:24, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

PeeJay2K3, the basic definition of "rivalry" is a "competition for the same objective or for superiority in the same field".[1] That said, the key is whether the sources in the article support the notability of a special relationship between the two teams that makes their history more unique than others. In that sense, as long as the teams have played each other for a number of years with some special, unique, or interesting games/events occurring, you can make a pretty good case for a rivalry. In this case, there are a number of unique games (Fail Mary, the "We want the ball, and we're gonna score" playoff game, the NFC Championship game in 2015 that still makes me cringe) and four playoff match-ups that are supported by a number of sources. All that said, you are welcome to WP:AFD it, if you would like. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:48, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sporting News calls it a rivalry,[2] as do the Packers,[3], CNN,[4] Bleacher Report,[5] etc. Okay, it's not as towering as the fierce Browns vs. Bungles feud, but then what is? Clarityfiend (talk) 22:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with PeeJay, that this isn't really a rivalry. I don't really consider that there is a "special relationship between the two teams that makes their history more unique than others". Sure they have played each other a lot (but that is true of all NFL teams) and there have been some weird games, but I don't think that they have a special history. However, there do seem to be media sources that call this matchup a rivalry. Natg 19 (talk) 01:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Passed. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:58, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: Gonzo fan2007 (talk · contribs) 17:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: WikiOriginal-9 (talk · contribs) 02:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Feel free to disagree with anything. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "The Packers–Seahawks rivalry is an American football rivalry between the Green Bay Packers and the Seattle Seahawks" - "the" before Seahawks doesn't seem necessary.
  • "may meet more often if they share common positions in their respective division or are paired in the playoffs" I'm not sure what it means by "share common positions in their respective division", shouldn't it just say "may meet more often if they are in the same division, or are paired in the playoffs".
    • So the Packers and Seahawks are in different divisions, but the same conference. Which means they play each other every 3 seasons per NFL scheduling guidelines. However, if both teams end up in same position in their own divisions (i.e. they both are first in their own divisions), then they will play each other the next season. So they could play each other more often than every 3 seasons. Does this make sense? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I see what you mean now. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:50, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the lead there are two sentences in a row that start with "Both teams". Maybe the second sentence can say "Both teams also".
  • "The advent of the forward pass" link forward pass
  • "The Seattle Seahawks and the Tampa Buccaneers" remove second "the"
  • "The team appeared in two Super Bowls in the 1990s" 1990s is already noted in the previous sentence so change to "The team appeared in two Super Bowls that decade"
  • "from the AFC West to the NFC West" maybe change to "from the AFC West back to the NFC West"
  • "in a Wild Card playoff game at Lambeau Field" link Lambeau Field.
  • "quarterback Matt Hasselbeck exclaimed "we want the ball and we're going to score!" Should we link that quote again like in the lead? That's also the third time Hasselbeck has been linked so far (once in lead and twice in body)
  • "throwing an interception to Al Harris, who returned it for a touchdown" link interception and touchdown
  • "Harris' walk-off touchdown" link walk-off touchdown. Some people might not know what walk-off means.
  • "In 2006, the Seahawks hosted the Packers in during a Monday Night Football game that looked more like Lambeau Field" Remove during.
  • "Wilson won the starting quarterback job that season over Matt Flynn" that makes it sound like he won the job later after the Fail Mary game, but he was actually named the starter in the preseason. Maybe change to "Wilson had won the starting quarterback job that season over Matt Flynn"
  • "punter during fake field goal attempt." Change to "punter during a fake field goal attempt." Also link fake field goal.
  • "The shut out was the first in the team's rivalry" Should that be teams'?
  • "The rivalry continued to grow in the 2020s, with the Packers and Seahawks scheduled to play each other again near the end of the 2024 NFL season." This will need updated to something else after the game.
  • "Packers safety M. D. Jennings and Seahawks wide receiver Golden Tate" maybe both of the positions should be unlinked here to ease SEAOFBLUE concerns. It's not really a sea of blue but you didn't link the positions in the rest of the article, so you can remove here too for consistency if you want. I'll let you decide.
  • "went three-and-out" link three-and-out
  • "The Seahawks finally scored on a fake field goal attempt; holder Jon Ryan threw a touchdown pass to Garry Gilliam. They were still down 19–7 with less than three minutes left, however" Did the fake field goal TD happen late in the game? The second sentence kind of makes it sound like it did.
  • "Wilson came under pressure and was chased out of the pocket, " link Passing pocket
  • "quarterback Russell Wilson threw a Hail Mary pass into the end zone" link end zone
  • "halftime after a 20-yard touchdown pass from Aaron Rodgers to Davante Adams" Aaron Rodgers has probably been linked enough
  • A lot of column headers in the "Club success" table need decapped.
  • "As of the end of the 2023 season", 2023 NFL season isn't linked above in the Club success section. Maybe you should link it there instead.
  • "Green Bay Packers vs. Seattle Seahawks Season-by-Season Results[43] 1970s (Packers, 2–0)" decap Season-by-Season Results
  • "2010s (Tied, 4–4)" This is very nitpicky but I don't think tied is supposed to be capped there.
  • Shouldn't the snow globe game be linked in the table too?
  • "Summary of Results" decap results
  • Reference formatting looks good.
  • "Packers defensive back M. D. Jennings" in the other part of the article, it said he was a safety. I'll let you decide.

Spot checks

  • "Al Harris Overtime Int to Win Playoff Game". NFL.com. Archived from the original on June 24, 2024. Retrieved June 22, 2024.
  • Collinsworth, Cris. "NFC Wild Card Playoff - "We're gonna score"". NFL.com. Archived from the original on June 24, 2024. Retrieved June 22, 2024.
    • Your article says "was ranked as one of the greatest plays and games in NFL history" but maybe that should say "was ranked as one of the 100 greatest plays and 100 greatest games in NFL history"? That's what the sources seems to be implying.
    • The other stuff for these two sources look good.
  • "Replacement refs decide game as Seahawks top Packers on Hail Mary". ESPN.com. Associated Press. September 25, 2012. Archived from the original on September 26, 2012. Retrieved July 1, 2024.
    • Maybe I missed it but I didn't see in that source where it said Jennings was a safety or that the other ref waved his arms to signal stoppage of the clock. This applies to both sections of the rivalry article that cite this reference.
  • "Al Harris Named NFL Defensive Player Of The Week". Packers.com. January 6, 2004. Archived from the original on June 24, 2024. Retrieved June 24, 2024.
    • All that looks good.
  • Brown, Larry (January 4, 2024). "Aaron Rodgers: Russell Wilson and I share a 'common enemy'". YardBreaker.com. Archived from the original on February 20, 2024. Retrieved February 20, 2024.
    • That quote looks good.
  • Wassell, Tom (January 9, 2020). "Seahawks-Packers rivalry has some memorable games — these are the top 5". MyNorthwest.com. Archived from the original on April 28, 2020. Retrieved March 13, 2020.
    • Looks good.

Done with the review now. Excellent research! Great article! Take as long as you need in addressing these comments. Thanks, ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much WikiOriginal-9 for the review. I have addressed or responded to all your comments above. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:50, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That all looks good. Passing the article. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Launchballer talk 00:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Improved to Good Article status by Gonzo fan2007 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 53 past nominations.

« Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Special date request: assuming this gets approved, the Packers and Seahawks play each other on December 15, 2024, at 8:20pm EST. Can it be placed that day, in the evening timeslot to coincide with the game? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:19, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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