Talk:Ordain Women

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Mormon group?

Some editing and reverting as been going on about describing Ordain Women as a Mormon group. I am setting up this section specifically for new IP User:98.180.18.59 and others to discuss the best way to describe this organization. Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 18:57, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Gah! Of course it's a "Mormon" group. It's made up largely of Mormon women who are attempting to promote change in the LDS Church, which is a "Mormon" church. Calling it "Mormon" doesn't mean that it's an official part of the LDS Church, it just means it is a group squarely within the tradition of Mormonism. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 21:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Calling it a "Mormon" group clearly implies some affiliation with the LDS church which is obviously not the case. Some components of the group are not members of the "Mormon" church including it's leader and figure head. It should be indicated that this group has no affiliation with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints outside of it's desire to make changes to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.18.59 (talk) 00:43, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why does using the word "Mormon" necessarily imply an affiliation with the LDS Church? We have an article on Mormon fundamentalism, for instance—these groups are not formally affiliated with the LDS Church, but using that name reflects popular usage by sources. Similarly, we have a category called Category:Mormon apologetics—but not every group and individual in that category is affiliated with or approved the LDS Church. The examples go on—Mormon studies, Mormon blogosphere, Mormon literature, Mormon music—none of these topics are limited to or imply any official connection to the LDS Church. The world of Mormonism is therefore more expansive than just the LDS Church. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:19, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To assume that calling something a "Mormon" group "clearly implies some affiliation with the LDS Church" is a narrow view, not supported across WP articles and usage. No disclaimer toward affiliation is needed - while the context of the article also provides that sense, as the group pushes for change within the church. That would seem to make it apparent that this is not the church pushing for change within the church. A similar issue exists with the edits on Kelly's article, where she self-identifies as "Mormon" - which is not dependent upon membership in the LDS Church. Although certainly a part of Mormonism, the church is not Mormonism by itself. ChristensenMJ (talk) 01:26, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good Ol'factory makes a convincing argument. While the word Mormon might imply affiliation with the LDS church, which is generally considered equivalent to Mormonism, the LDS Church is not the only Mormon church and does not have a trademark on the word Mormon. The first sentence as a whole also makes it clear that there is no affiliation. KinkyLipids (talk) 01:40, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Kate Kelly article was changed early on because it even more implied that it was a LDS endorsed group (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kate_Kelly_(feminist)&diff=613908481&oldid=613898007). As Good Ol'factory said, it's not just the LDS church that is classified as Mormon (see the Mormon article), and really the only way you're going to succinctly describe a feminist group of whom the supposed majority are members of the mormon faith is either call it a "mormon feminist group" or a "group of mormon feminists". The problem with both (though moreso the latter) is that from what I've read, not everyone in OW is actually mormon).203.214.53.201 (talk) 11:39, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Of course it's a mormon group. Sanpitch (talk) 18:04, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Missing sections?

Maybe it's just me? But I cannot see the "See also," "Notes," or "Reference" sections when I view the article - but when I go to the Edit Page they are all still there. I don't know if I caused them to disappear or how to make them reappear. KMH000 (talk) 06:26, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, your last citation was done incorrectly. I fixed it. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ordain_Women&diff=617338115&oldid=617276030 to see the difference. Sanpitch (talk) 17:01, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ordain Women's "chart bubble" a source

ChristianPost link quoting 1st Amend. atty Randazza.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 20:41, 16 March 2017 (UTC) WaPo terms Ordain Women on an alleged "enemies list" (see link)-?--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 01:10, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Put it here: MormonLeaks#2017_Apostasies_PowerPoint.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 22:27, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]