Talk:Offensive in Podrinje (1993)

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There has been a concerted effort to re-introduce miniscule flag icons for BiH and RS into multiple fields in the infobox of this article. The image files are virtually indiscernible as flags when the page is viewed, even on my big desktop screens, let alone whatever detail they contain, and they add exactly nothing to the article. In this case, there are only two combatant entities, and each is in a column, so everyone under the column is clearly a member of or relates to the combatant entity in the first field, so there is absolutely no need for an flagicon to differentiate between elements of the combatant force, or for every commander to "have" their own flag. I strongly recommend that any editors who believe there is some justification for this under MOS:INFOBOXFLAG explain that rationale here rather than at ANI or the edit-warring noticeboard where this will shortly be heading if it isn't resolved here. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 13:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the point of deleting the flags, I even saw some of your edits and you specifically you deleted flags from newer wiki pages, why you didn't apply that logic to Operation Breza 94, Operation Bura and others (remove flags). If you want it to make sense, then delete from all pages and not specifically some, and also for the Kosovo war, the Croatian war, the war in Ukraine and more they also use the flag in the inbox although in most cases only 2 counties fight with the same flags used 4 or more in an inbox. In the past months you didn't have a problem with the flags and now you suddenly started to delete them. Red Spino (talk) 09:38, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are utterly useless. They impart zero information and are just being used for decoration. This is an encyclopaedia, not a vanity project for flags. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:38, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know they affect zero information, but they also don't hurt the Wikipedia page. In fact almost every (modern war) battle page has a flag in the inbox, idk if you have a phobia of Bosnian war inbox having flags. And even if you are right you will only remove the flags from the Bosnian war pages and not from other war pages just like you are currently doing. Red Spino (talk) 22:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't be everywhere. Usually I edit WWII Yugoslavia articles, but whenever there is some question about Balkans articles in general, someone hits me up to have a look. Up until you and *others* started creating these pages, most of which are poorly sourced or just not notable, I very rarely looked at these sorts of pages. The flagcruft does hurt the page, because they they visually clutter the infobox and add nothing in terms of information. Perhaps if it was limited to just one entity flag for each side in the belligerent field only, but not when you are adding a flag for each commander, unit, strength and casualties. It is repetitive and creates a lot of clutter, and it is completely meaningless to the reader. With everything you do on Wikipedia, ask yourself "how does this help the encyclopaedia and people who read it?". If it doesn't, don't do it. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let me be clear before I made the pages. I first looked in the inbox from other pages and made new pages in the style of other pages. When you started removing the flags I was annoyed because I was just following what other pages had. And the reason why I put flags for commanders is to make it clear to the reader about that commander (nationality/citizenship). Because there were cases where commanders from Yugoslavia fought for the Bosnian Serbs in Bosnia, for example Arkan. If anything, I'll stop putting flags in every section except the first (Belligerents) only 2 to 3 flags. Will you give me that permission, thank you. Red Spino (talk) 18:29, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am still waiting for your reply. How are you helping readers (from your perspective) when you haven't removed the flags from most of the pages you edited last week. Please explain to me why you didn't delete the flag on the page I created called the Yugoslav campaign in 1992 in Bosnia, but you did in the Podrinje offensive (1993). I doubt you are helping users because you didn't even do what you said. Galaja 1992 resistance, operation Bura, 1994 airstrikes Goražde and others. Those pages have flags in nearly all sections. I suspect that you are doing it to help the readers, but you are actually doing it out of some other interests. Red Spino (talk) 18:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I said Galaja 1992 resistance, operation Bura, 1994 airstrikes Goražde because you edited those pages a few days ago and didn't delete the flags, so you don't even do what you say. Red Spino (talk) 18:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve been prioritising the really egregious policy breaches, but don’t worry, I’ll get to them. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 20:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]