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I don't know why it always takes months for you to get reviews on yours. I'll try to take a look at this, although I'm busy enough in real life that it'll probably take several days to get through everything. Hog FarmTalk02:39, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Hog Farm: A general concern for before I start to dig into this whole article closer: Murray 1992 and Paquette 2002 both appear to be self-published. Is there a reason they can be treated as RS for this subject matter? Hog FarmTalk18:19, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A good question. I'll leave that for you to decide. This is important because I would like to write about all 13 Fostoria glass companies eventually. I have already done Fostoria Glass Company and Seneca Glass Company in addition to Novelty Glass Company. I'll have no problem withdrawing the article if you believe these sources are not suitable for GA. Jack K. Paquette was overall Vice President of O-I Glass (a.k.a. Owens-Illinois). His book has citations (360 in chapter 5 alone) and a long bibliography. He has also written other glass-related books. Melvin L. Murray's book does not have citations although it has plenty of illustrations, pictures, newspaper clippings, and a one-page bibliography. He was a Fostoria resident that became involved with libraries - he was on the board of trustees for Fostoria's Kaubisch Memorial Public Library for 50 years. I also found one posting of his 2010 obituary (Google groups obits) that claimed he had been president of the Fostoria Glass Association. It is difficult to find good sources on glassmaking companies. Hopefully these are good enough. TwoScars (talk) 15:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also seeing citations to Paquette in a McFarland book. Given his work with Owens-Illinois and the use in a McFarland book, and that he's also written on the glass boom for Northwest Ohio History, I think he's find for GA (although it would probably be challenged at a FAC). I'm not so sure on Murray - it only seems to have gotten traction in a few Arcadia Press books, and Arcadia isn't in the same tier of publisher as McFarland. So I guess I'm leaning OK on Paquette and not really for GA for Murray. I'm willing for a third opinion on this, too. I think the article is better with Murray than without and would think it's probably best as a comprehensive b-class than as a theoretical GA that doesn't include that information. Hog FarmTalk21:08, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'll withdraw the article. It is really hard to find books about Fostoria's glass industry during the Gas Boom years of the 1880s and 1890s. I should be able to replace the Murray citations that deal with making glass by using other books and trade magazines. The citations involving the company affairs and glass products might be difficult. I'll go back to his sources: newspapers and trade magazines. Thanks for looking at this. TwoScars (talk) 16:37, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The two sources that caused this article to fail GA are the books "Blowpipes: Northwest Ohio Glassmaking in the Gas Boom of the 1880s" by Jack K. Paquette and "Fostoria, Ohio Glass II", by Melvin L. Murray. I have checked with the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, and Wikipedians there believe both are reliable. The Paquette book has 559 pages with citations and end notes. Jack K. Paquette was a former Vice President overall of glassmaking company Owens Illinois, Inc., and his book would qualify for the expert SPS exception. As a former trustee for Bowling Green State University, member of the Fostoria library board for 50 years, past president of the Ohio Library Trustee Association, past president of the Fostoria Glass Association, and founder of the Fostoria Glass Heritage Gallery, Melvin L. Murray would have access to good sources for his book, and he made liberal use of newspaper articles and advertisements to support his writing. The Paquette and Murray books are both in the Corning Museum of Glass library and the Library of Congress. The discussion has been archived here. TwoScars (talk) 19:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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