Talk:Newbie/Archive 2

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Archive 2

Good Job

I actually remembered I wanted to "Nominate for Deletion" this article (since I knew that tag would come off within 1 day) but it looks like my initial protest actually paid off. The article is actually decent now... it won't stay that way for too long... but it's good to know there are actually people who will tollerate the "noobs" who persist in making such articles.

Although the consenus was to keep the article, I propose that the article be transfered to wikionary since it is more of a definition than a history. (Now this WILL be blocked since no one knows of wikionary).

To the people who worked on bringing it down to its more glorified state, I thank you... I didn't believe there were people who had the willpower to tame an uncontrolled article. I certainly will never try again... Wikipedia is just too flawed to debate technicalities. BRIANNA BASTA IS A N00B 64.238.179.195 19:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Any honestly guys, if you didn't know what a noob was before this article, you're "straight up nub." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.63.107 (talk) 14:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

-Real Origin of the word Newb-

The word Newb has been used at St. Paul's School in Concord, New Hampshire for probably over 50 years. It started as a shortening of 'New Boy', meaning a 7th grader new to the then-all male student population. I have not heard of similar terms being used at any other school for that long. Recently the term has taken on some derisive overtones, to describe a behavior (newbly) unbecoming of a non-newb. Sorry to spoil the party for all you geeks out there... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.42.104 (talk) 00:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Delete This

Interchanging 'noob' with 'newbie' but includes the "newb vs noob" argument meaning that there are several points in the article. In addition, interchanging is a 'bad' practice and the article should reflect the more 'popular' spelling (in this case, since the article is called "newbie" it all instances of noob should be replaced with "newbie". But even then, the internal debate over noob vs newbie isn't entirely resolve in article, as the term 'more' means an incomplete transformation. In addition to the fact that it is groundless information.

Massive amounts of POV information (Use of conditional terms like "may" is indicative of POV).

Reference of what is termed "leet" by wikipedia as "noob speak" resulting in conflicting articles and invalidity of the information. In order to revalidate this, the examples would have to reflect not the manner in which the content is spoken but the content it self.

Not a single valid reference. A book search is just a book search, it will not validate any information within the article. A comic is an invalid reference source, website entitled "newbie.org" would host POV inflicted information, and urbandict is a wiki and thus, invalid.

Self contradiction of the content within, highly noticeable with "Newbie vs Noob" and "froobie"

A Section of the article is prejudice against noobs and features stereotyped information.

And on a whole... this is a VERY bad articleMerranvo 22:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, but I think this article should be torn appart and made into a modest and verifiable article instead of deleted. Cool Hand Luke 17:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Luke - that's exactly what happened to the 2000s article, full of largely unverifiable, muddled information, that was all removed and the article reduced into something short. I think we should do the same here.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 09:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

We should not delete this article - what we should do is reduce it to a stub, possibly just the first paragraph, and clean that up too.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 11:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I say this topic is too notable to be deleted. I have seen this article link from other websites several times. Due to this, and reasons reguarding the need of such a notice (too obstructive), I'm going to remove the tag. --hello, i'm a NOOBmember]] | talk to me! 01:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

As said on deletion notice

Overall a very bad article for reasons listed in the talk section. Over this past week, wikipedian editors have added redundant additions without fixing current issues (and recently added an ad hominem attack). This article either needs to be torn limb from limb, reducing it to a definition (in addition to the removal of slang terminology (should be in association with "noob" not "newbie")) and historical usages. Of course, no one wants this...

--hello, i'm a NOOBmember]] | talk to me! 01:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to add my voice to others and say "mend it, don't end it" -- let's try to fix this. My reasoning is also similar: I'm here because I didn't know what a noob is. I'm am improved as a person because this article is here, even with it's flaws (ok, that's a bit over the top but it's true even if overstated). Davemenc 01:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd say we create a 'noob' article and leave this alone while deleting what is a noob. Generally, a newbie is someone who is new. Noobs are generally annoying idiots. NEWBIE IS NOT A DAMN INSULT FOR GODDAMNED 99% of INTERNET CHATTING. Anyway, this is a bad article, considering it needs words like 'generally'... --121.6.128.171 14:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Not true at all

"In World of Warcraft and most MMORPG's saying any variant of "noob" will earn the speaker an account ban. If it is said multiple times on multiple accounts on the same IP, the speaker will get an IP ban."

That is 100% Manwich.

 agreed, removing it

No it comes from the word "newcomer". Well "Alabama black snake" to be exact. --puppy441 - (lvl 80)^On_RS 14:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

"In the internet RPG; runescape the term noob is used for a new player (lvl 3) or someone who is cocky, annoying or bigheaded or has a low total level. " This is retarded. Noob there is used anytime and for anything Someone who is good and has social skills and above-average levels does not mean that 95% of the RS populace won't call him a noob. Admit it, RS' community sucks so much you're a noob for even standing there.

123:How are you? 345:Noob

23:Rofl you nub level 3 in fishing guild! 466:OMG NOOB!

Seriously, I want to kill the person who wrote that...

It is NOT even original research, it is pure idiocy.--121.6.128.171 14:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Noobs in gaming

Alot of the complaints included in the "Noobs in internet gaming section" aren't so much noob behavior as they are just plain asshole behavior. I agree on the stuff about noobs not knowing how to play, but screaming into the voice enabled games really isn't a noob characteristic so much as an asshole characteristic. And the part about taking advantage of cheats or bugs...newbs tend to not know nearly enough about the game to take advantage of a bug in the game. That is in direct contrast with just about every other complaint listed. There is also the section about poor sportsmanship; alot of professional sports players have terribly poor sportsmanship but all the same are far from being a noob. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.33.136.81 (talk) 15:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

does not always mean new player!!!!!

The term noob does not always mean a new player in runescape, for instance it has just meant to mean a universal negative term for someone. For instance many people are called noobs if they are beggars, hackars or scammers.

also the terms newb, noob, and froob are different

newb means new player. noob means that they are not noob yet act like a newb. froob means that there a freacking noob, fcking noob, or freebie noob Conspiricy2 14:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)conspiricy2

Sorry, meanings differ for almost everyone, thanks... And everyone can be called a noob, for whatever reason.121.6.128.171 14:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Newbie is for newcomers as Noobie is for new comers who are assholes.

Agreed, like in Halo noob means basically means an unskilled player who resorts to low tactics for a win. Such as, Killing there own team our in a game of capture ther flag, killing the flag carrier for there team so they can score. Skaterchild3 20:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Skaterchild3. A noob can also refer to a person (even someone who has been playing for a long time) who resorts to idiotic or low tactics. Besides halo, noobs can be in almost any game. In smash bros melee, a person is a noob if they believe that they are the best person in the game and they only resort to using only smash attacks or battling level 9's and not normal people. Otherwise a "noob". can also be a "noob" character. A character in a game that is really cheap is a "noob" character. This is for every character in games that everyone uses or a very cheap glitch or strategy that everyone uses. For example, many people spam smashes in the original Smash Bros online. The character is overpowered and many people use him. Kirby is a "noob" character. KoRoBeNiKi 25 October 2007 (UTC)

This does have important info though

Newbie and Noob are both hot words on many Internet games and in chat rooms right now, and let's face it, if someone has been dubbed one of the above, I would like to see them use Wikipedia to realize a mistake and not become especially the latter. So you really cannot delete this entry ... just clean it up and keep it simple. However, the little examples of "noob speak" are totally inappropriate. Also, I think for the ease of reading the article itself, it would be better to move all other terms for newbie and noob to a list or table at the bottom of the page. Personally I did not know about the military usages (prior to online usage) so maybe that could go above all the arguing about individual usages in online games, etc. Like it or not, this has become part of our culture and yes, there are people who will come here earnestly wanting to learn about newbies and noobs ...~ ica616, dated 2/21/07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by ica616 (talk • contribs)

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. -- KirinX 15:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Too many tags!

At my count, this article has 6 unflattering tags attached to it. Folks, its an article about a word in Internet culture. It can't be held to the same encylcopedic standard of perfection as an article about, say, oxygen. Are ALL of these tags, it has unverified claims, it isn't professional, yatta yatta yatta, really necessary? Sloverlord 21:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

This article, like any Wikipedia article, should be held to the same encyclopedic standard. The amount of cleanup-related tags simply shows just how often trash info is added to this article, and just how little information should be in this article once it is properly dealt with by some brave soul. -- KirinX 05:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm surprised there isn't a tag which says "This article has too many unflattering tags"... Bill D 23:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Dangit, you beat me to that one, Bill. (Uncyclopedia has naturally filled the void left by the absence of a "too many templates" template. Wait, what? Never mind.) — Lenoxus 04:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Is there a discussion about what standards are appropriate in an online encyclopedia somewhere? I feel frustrated that we have a COMPLETELY new thing here that is trying to adhere to academic standards appropriate to the last century. Granted, we need SOME standards. But can we adjust them to fit the circumstances? The word "noob" (or "newb" or "newbie" or whatever) is a case in point. Where are you going to find a PHD discussing this subject in published work -- and would we care what he thought if he did!? Geez! :) Davemenc 00:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, established references don't have to be by a PhD — a magazine would do just fine. Did Wired, for example, ever do anything on this? $\sim$ Lenoxus " * " 01:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Encyclopædic tone

I really am not up to completely fixing this myself, I will admit, but I really think this article lacks an encyclopædic tone throughout most of the text. There are far too many examples, and not enough information on things like its significance as a term. Many of these examples are provided to explain trivial concepts. For instance, the RuneScape example could easily be restated in a more suitable manner as something like "higher-level characters often call those at lower levels noob." That said, I think it rather silly to add yet another tag to the vast array already present, especially considering that these templates were not made with the idea that they should cover the first screen rendered. In the intrest of sanity, could we clip a few of them, or at least defer their presence until more important ones (like NPOV) are resolved? Falcon 05:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Large edit

I removed the social rejection/acceptance and newb vs noob topics and added a usage topic. the original paragraphs are in comments if anyone wants to use them. DYE_Slayer 06:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Should Noob have it's own article?

It seems to me that this could be considerably simplified and improved if we created a separate article for "noob" and, possibly, for "froob". This article is about "newbie" and, based on what I've read here, "newb".

The distinctions among noob, newbie (which I believe has the same meaning as "newb") and froob can best be made clear by having separate pages for them.

I should note that I'm no expert in Wikipedia rules (although I'm gradually educating myself) so please feel free to set me straight if you disagree.

Davemenc 01:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

While I understand that this is a concern, many of the variations are used interchangeably by different people, so I can't see the differentiation being useful. It would also be a problem given the way that people post their variations on the word in the article so often - if we then had 2-4 articles to maintain rather than one, this would make it more difficult. There's no problem with the Wikipedia rules (by the way, WP:IAR), but I think that this has a certain potential to be counterproductive if implemented. Nihiltres 15:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

N00b

I'm on a website where both the words Newbie and N00b are used.

N00b(also knwon as noob/boon=noob spelled backwards to get past chat blocks)-A person that is not a newb yet act like a newb.

Newbie-A new person.

BIG diffrence.

There really should be some explanation of the difference in useage between a "newb" and a "n00b". The term "newb" is typically used as a polite way to describe an individual that is new to a scene and willing to be taught, whereas, a "n00b" is purely a derogatory term, popularly used to describe a person that is obnoxiously ignorant and unwilling to change. The "newb" is the guy that makes a mistake and screws up your game once. The "n00b" is that idiot that makes the same mistake over and over again, and gets angry at everyone else on the team for his own doing. VanGarrett 18:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Urban Dictionary

Anyone have an idea on how reliable that site is? FMF|contact 23:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Extremely unreliable. Like Wikipedia it relies on users to submit data. It doesn't take long to realise that despite people's criticisms of Wikipedia, Urban Dictionary has far, far less accuracy.GrantRS 12:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Commented-out section moved from article

Section was hidden with comment "this seems to not fit with the article". I agree, and per comments further up the page think the article would be best off reduced in size and rewritten. This section is unacceptable, and I think could easily go completely, so I've taken it out. Given that it was hidden from view already, I haven't substantially altered the article as it appears to readers, so I don't think this is too big a step – Qxz 21:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Noobs in Internet gaming

{{Unreferenced|date=February 2007}}

In gaming, the following behavior is usually associated with noobs.

• Not knowing what a noob is.

• Calling someone a noob. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.76.248.204 (talk) 21:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

• Going online without playing through the game's tutorial and annoying the other players by continually asking questions on how to play.

• Poor sportsmanship: noobs might communicate explicit/racial/prejudicial comments to the victorious parties, in situations where the newbies win. Blame might be redirected to an external phenomenon, such as a latency (a.k.a. lag) spike. Other poor unsportsmanship actions include disconnecting in a game once victory is deemed impossible (albeit this may prevent statistics from being recorded, both for the victors and the losers). In team games, noobies might team up with other noobs to kill other players team kill (sometimes called "gank", meaning 'Gang Kill' {{Fact|date=February 2007}}) or use items intended to be used on enemies (such as flashbangs in Counter-Strike) on friendly players to vent their frustration.

• Noobs hate Newbies, blaming them if they lose a game accussing them of their inferiority, if newbies win a game, Noobs would shrug the event as lucky or their computer is not working well.(see above statement)

• Noobs often blame others if they got killed, also note that they taunt players continously if they taught they are going to win in a game.

• Giving personal information that is fabricated or is not actually true. For example, a "noob" may claim that they are a "football player" and "could beat you up in real life", among countless other claims of "real life" superiority.

• Looking for sexual companionship online. It is common to see a "noob" requesting a "gf" or "bf" (girlfriend/boyfriend); the noob is usually adamant in pursuing someone they desire as their "gf" or "bf", especially after the person of their desire expresses a disinterest or disgust over the noob's affection.

• The inclination to shout random phrases when voice is enabled, that may be nonsensical and/or use an overwhelming amount of explicit language.

• Little or no use of team tactics, or understanding how to cooperate.

• Not understanding the game environment. This includes not understanding the concept of friendly and hostile players, combat/trading zones and non-combat/trading zones, or ignorance to game world rules regarding player conduct.

• Not understanding how to play without breaking some basic formal rules, created by the players a long time ago, such as in games like Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy.

• Not understanding why they get killed so soon or why they cannot kill anyone, in games like Counter-Strike or Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy.

• A tendency to utilize cheating programs or glitches in the game program, after a period of frustration experienced from getting beaten by veterans.

• A tendency to require the quick fix solution.
• A tendency to act like a certain place in a map belongs to an individual. This occurs very often in MMORPGs, as a lot of players want to level up their characters quickly without being bothered.

• A tendency to impersonate a Moderator in order to obtain "free stuff" (this mostly on games like RuneScape) or "res (resurrection)" (this on games like World of Warcraft). Newbies do this very often when being hazed by veterans, who in turn haze them even more. Impersonation often leads to their removal from the game.

• See Alcon in World of Warcraft (Spinebreaker server).

• A tendency to claim the possession of various kinds of resources. This usually occurs in multiplayer games in which players are competing for resources and supplies. One common example is stealing supplies from allies in RTS games.

• A tendency of turtling in RTS games. This may be due to their "concern" in losing the game or just simply a lack of tactics.

• Using vehicles when explosives/rocket launchers/grenade launchers are not present, Giving the players in the vehicles a huge advantage in some games

Utilization of noob or n00b as an insult is very similar in act being called a troll; certain actions trigger someone's "noob" or "n00b" label, as a form of group insult.

Noob generally describes a player's current behavior rather than his level of game experience. Although apparently originating from reactions to the ignorance among new players, its usage extends to high-level players who act similarly, and invalid with new players who lack apparent foolishness. For low levels the more correct term Newbie is used, although not always.

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illya = noob

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Newbie vs n00b

Newbie is not offensive, just a new user. n00b on the other hand..why is it being interchangeably used in this 125.23.37.139 10:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. N00b and newbie is two completely different things. --The monkeyhate (talk) 15:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Pre Internet usage

Can we, please, please, please, have more focus on the pre-internet usage of the word "Newbie" or "Newbee"? This page should meet higher standards.GrantRS 12:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

The article Noob should be seperated from the newbie article

Yes, agreed. If we were to keep them as seperate articles we wouldn't be having this problem.
Spitfire 00:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

if everyone keeps agreeing then why, exactly? did I just get a redirect from noob to newbie?

Also, noob is really an insult. It's a, "you're new at this, AND you're a moron" thing. I've found it to usually mean something slightly different from "asshole behavior," in that it usually is used when someone is being really annoying by doing a pointless action that new players to do. I think that the sheer amount of blocked words on most games has lead to noob becoming an all around insult. However, a user called a noob w/o probable cause has full justification to pwn the offending player.--Akako|☎ 21:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Kick-Ban

In the IRC Section someone with better english than me should explain Kick-Ban. I know what it means but there will be enough people who won't.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.86.148.253 (talk • contribs)

pwnage

is there a seperate article>

Pwnage redirects to Pwn. -- Petri Krohn 22:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

lacking depths

this artical is lacking depth. so far the only thing that even relates to this artical besides spelling is in the top. iff this isnt expenaded more, im gona requestt deltion of this artical(Esskater11 19:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC))

New York & New Jersey users replace "dude" with "noobs"??!!

"The variant "noob" has become common in spoken English in parts of New York City and New Jersey as a substitute for the word dude. "

I would like to see some reference for this. Having lived in New York City for the past 21 years of my life, along with attending Columbia University, I would like to see where this is coming from. A noob is specifically an incapable individual; a dude is ANYONE!

(213.199.128.156 14:45, 2 July 2007 [UTC])

Noob does not equal Dude. However, I can vouch for the fact that many people in the area i live in now say Noob as part of their normal vocabulary....but only because I started saying it first (sarcasm) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.162.201 (talk) 05:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I grew up and live in NY (for the last 23 year) and have friends from NJ. **NO ONE** I know uses "noob" as a replacement for "dude", and I have not encountered any references to this on TV or radio, nor have I heard anyone say this in public. This statement should be deleted unless some specific data can be cited.

pogo 18:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Certain people in my circle do call people noobs as kinda like a greeting or something? Anyway, it's kinda like the guy at my college who's around 20 and often says "hello kids!" or "goodbye kids!" I don't know, apparently they think that it's an appropriate backwards complement or something? Somewhat like how some black people will call eachother "nigga" (although 'only' black people. I think that if a non-gamer were to greet a group of gamers with "noob," it wouldn't work out.)--Akako|☎ 21:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

"Neophyte" should not redirect here

The word neophyte has been in the English language since about 1400 (according to the OED) and has a much broader range of meaning than newbie. E.g., a newly created priest is a neophyte, not a newbie. When kudzu was introduced to the American South, it was a neophyte species, not a newbie. I realize Wikipedia is not a dictionary, but we should avoid redirects that give a false impression of equivalence between terms.

So there is my case for breaking the redirect. How should this be handled? Do we need a stub article at Neophyte? A pointer to Wiktionary? -- Rob C (Alarob) 16:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

After getting some advice at the Village Pump, I'm planning to break the redirect and start a Neophyte article with links to Newbie and Novice as well as Neophyte (disambiguation). Concerns or comments? -- Rob C (Alarob) 02:28, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I believe we all know that a n00b is different from a newb.

C'mon, split the article, SPLIT THE ARTICLE! Kimera Kat 23:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

The eternal noob picture

Though I like the encyclopedic notion, I have to say, this would not be complete without the eternal noob image :O http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3654/337485439516a232a3ji0.jpg Nefzen 23:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

The sims 2 seasons

in the sims 2 seasons, the first job in the 'gamer' career is a noob. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.128.179.54 (talk) 12:01, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

Alternate Noob Article Created

Hello, I am just here to notify other users that an alternate article for the word "noob" has been created because some people consider noob as people on a game their for the sole purpose of annoying others, while newbie is considered a new person to an event and often times the word is not considered as offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spitfire19 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Noob has since been redirected due to the discussion on it's talkpage. Maybe consider putting the information you put into the Noob article into a section in the Newbie article. AngelOfSadness talk 00:03, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Examples

I think it would be better if we put examples of the differences between Newbie and Noob; for example...

Newbie: A new player on a first person shooter uses a certain grenade and then a certain gun, which to other players is thought of as an unfair combo. The 'Newbie' is then told that he shouldn't use that combination.

Noob: The same person from above, after a year of playing that game, decides to do the same combo anyway. The other players call him a 'Noob' for using that combo, when he clearly knows he shouldn't but is doing it anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LordOnager (talk • contribs) 01:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

no

newb/ newbie: a new person, or a beginner thats unexperienced

noob/ n00b: an annoying new person, same as above

Skane 15:06, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Newb vs Noob

{{Editprotected}}

I would like to add something about a "nub". It is like a noob, but is only used by a select few that know the term.

I think that this article should be modified- it does not really differentiate between the various definitons "newb" and "noob" have- noob is more of an insult. It should be altered to reflect this.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.226.232.37 (talk) 01:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC) 

 Not done Editprotected is for making specific, non-controversial changes to protected pages. This is more of a generalized statement about the whole article, and therefore I have no way of knowing what exactly you want done (and it sounds like you want to change the scope/focus of the article, which is too significant of an edit to do while the page is protected). Also, the page is only semi-protected, which means that users who in good faith want to edit the article, can after the join wikipedia and wait 4 days.-Andrew c ^[talk] 15:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Nub?

I know nub is another way of spelling noob or n00b, however, the definition there (I edited but I'm not that satisfied with my edit) said "this is currently the way if typing or saying it". Now, as far as I know, this is not always the case, it seems to imply n00b has been replaced entirely by nub. Can someone else come up with a better description under "nub" than this or than the one I put there? Eric Mushroom Wilson 23:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

pronunciation

Is it pronounced newbie or noob? RC-0722 23:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't "noob" originated from "nob"?123.243.53.202 (talk) 11:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

NO OB(jective)

asfar as i Know thw word NooB comes from No Objective. reffering to a new player who doestn realy know what to do

Proposal for edit to page

Request adding a hatnote or even italicized comment, to note that Newbie tests redirects here. Originally that page was proposed for merge to Wikipedia deletion policy. Userafw (talk) 09:37, 15 December 2007 (UTC) Note, apparently the redirect was reverted by someone else. It is back on its own page for now. Userafw (talk) 10:19, 15 December 2007 (UTC) Ok, now Newbie tests is redirecting back to this page. Userafw (talk) 10:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Choob

What about the term Choob? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.14.10 (talk) 10:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Grammar... and ?

"Newbie and the alternate spellings are often used for one of two different meanings. Newbie is usually used to refer to a new person who has recently joined the group of bored, and is a rank default on InvisionFree forums. Several alternate spellings and occasionally the original word, are used to refer to a member who is generally unwanted or disliked in the community, and is often used as part of Trolling or Flaming."

1. Is it me, or is the phrase (highlighted red) is not clear and needs to be edited? 2. I don't see how InvisionFree forums are related to "noob"... any forum can have a "noob" rank and not be mentioned here...(i mean that invisionfree forums are not worth the mention WP:IINFO)

--Kelvin_HO^{Wiknerd(talk)} 09:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

However, IF (Invisionfree) COULD be mentioned since as far as I know that was the first place a default group called "Newbie" was made. --Talk to Stealth500 (talk) 22:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

LOL WHUT

Nub Cake

A nub whose failures exceed all other nubs in their immediate area, thus making them the "biggest nub" or the "icing on the cake of nubs". They tend to not only be horrible at whatever it is they are doing, but tend to be completely clueless and extremely dangerous

Er, that's not very encyclopedic, is it >.> "The icing on the cake of nubs" LuGiADude (talk) 17:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

noob or newbie means: someone new at a thing like a game —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.203.96.188 (talk) 17:03, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Archnub

This title is generally given to a leader of noobs. A primary or superior nub. Sometimes used in the online game Runescape. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.242.27.214 (talk) 19:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

All i can say to that is lol...(80.42.133.99 (talk) 17:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC))

halo in irc

why is there a halo reference under irc heading? it should either have it's own catagory, which i don't think is deserved (redundant, as well), or be removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.245.35 (talk) 01:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

k

a noob is like imran —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.231.172.149 (talk) 11:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Video Games?

Is it possible for this page to also fall under Wikiproject:Internet culture. I do think that if the article can [technically] be under both projects, it would be best to put it that way.--Kelvin_HO^{Wiknerd(talk)} 15:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Archive 1

Archive 2

Still a dicdif.

This article still really isn't anything beyond a dictionary definition of the term. Given how there doesn't seem to be any move to go beyond that (and, in my opinion, no potential to go beyond that using good sources), and given how the previous AFD seems to have gotten side-tracked into unrelated concerns that it was 'slang' or not, I think it should probably be re-nominated for deletion soon. Yes, it was only a month ago, but that AFD really addressed the wrong issue; opinions on it that touched on the dicdif issue -- noted that keeping it was contingent on it being expanded beyond a mere definition of the term. When you look at it and how little progress has been made since then, I think it's obvious that that isn't happening, and probably can't happen in a sourced fashion. (Other options exist. Technically, really, an pie AFD result isn't needed to soft-redirect to Wictionary, if there's no objections here; or it could be redirected and folded into to another subject, one capable of supporting an entire article.) --Aquillion (talk) 12:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Aren't there any comments on this? The AFD closure noted that this article needs serious work to bring it out from being a dicdif; where's the people who wanted to keep it? If nobody says anything in the next week or so, I'll assume there's no opposition and soft-redirect to Wiktionary... --Aquillion (talk) 18:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Soft-redirecting to Wictionary.

I mentioned this above, but since it's been a while and nobody replied: The AFD closure for this article, and most of the opinions there, were contingent on it expanding beyond a dictionary-definition. It hasn't, and I still don't think anyone has really argued that that's possible (even the part discussed in the section above this would still just be a dictionary definition.) So... We could just relist it on AFD, but if there's really nobody that objects, that isn't even necessary. Does anyone object to this simply being soft-redirected to Wiktionary? We don't need to go through AFD for that. Of course, anyone could revert it, but I can't see why anyone would want to -- Wiktionary is the proper place for this, and covers all the important points from here much more concisely. --Aquillion (talk) 09:32, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I would think there was enough cultural references to the word to expand beyond a dictionary definition. Like 'I feel like pwning newbs' and stuff? Richard001 (talk) 08:00, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

chobo

why does this redirect here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.151.6.222 (talk) 20:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Chobo no longer redirects here. Probably an inexperienced editor thought that the two words have identical meanings. In the past, Novice has been incorrectly redirected here as well. Thanks for pointing out the redirect. — ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 13:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Chobo still redirects here im afraid!Misortie (talk) 15:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Stoob?

I have never until this day heard that term, even after playing Guild Wars (an MMORPG) excessively for 2 years and frequenting the PvXwiki, where trolling is common. Urban Dictionary has only a couple definitions that even remotely resemble the one here (although they prefer "stupid noob" to "high-level players that seem, or act like they lack experience".

Also, it'd be great if we had the (actual) history behind the term "noob" (and its variations), if that's possible. 24.109.90.46 (talk) 02:45, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

• I removed it. I request that editors research and source the claim before replacing it. Protonk (talk) 04:33, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

... I just feel I need to post the reason I created that subsection "Stoob". I was reading a book about MMORPG terms, of which I've forgotten the name of, and there was this entry "Stoob", with about that definition I inserted into the article. But, unfortunetly, I've lost the book, and forgot the title, it being just some book I read for fun belonging to a friend. *sigh* Oh, well...

I agree with the removal of it though. Might as well delete it, having no current cite.

But not like it doesn't have much use: a Yahoo! search (one of the most reliable of search-for-hits engines) gives about 188000 hits. Not a bad number, though many of the hits are just people jokingly inserting such as their name.

7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( _t / _c ) 04:26, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Stoob--AodhanTheCelticJew (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

In case you are suggesting anything, I was well aware of that. Now if, you'll just search it on a search engine and find out how many are actually referring to the town?

7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( _t / _c) 02:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Millionth word reached!

And they were dead on, too. The 1,000,000th word was found on June 10th, 2009. At the time of this post being written, that was only 3 days ago! Someone better update the article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.252.40.17 (talk) 18:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Other spellings, related terms

nib, nub, nab are all getting to be used more and more widely around. cheers 80.99.1.12 (talk) 15:34, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Origins

The first mention of 'newbie' on Usenet was 1988, and it was used in the same manner as currently: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac/msg/68659de9d2d8e42d?hl=en 76.105.254.12 (talk) 14:32, 18 July 2008 (UTC) The term noob can also mean a person who is cheap and uses high quality objects.This word also refers to crappy players of video games like sam best —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.17.15 (talk) 23:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Also commonly know as the player "iiixiiixiii" in the private L2 Dreams Luna 50X server. He captured this epic nickname by constantly raping the English language and debating the usage of the word Nab (which is a common replacement from the origin of the word NEWBIE). To see this NAB in all his glory, please check out the following: KING OF THE NABS and check out the 21 posts he has and how they have earned him this title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NFCTinken (talk • contribs) 02:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Origin

The term Newbie is actually a anglicized version of a Chinese honorific for self-deprecating humbleness, núbì (奴婢), which means a female servant. The term is anglicized as nubi or newbie.--76.19.133.38 (talk) 00:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

The resemblance is coincidental. Just because the same sounds occur in two different languages, that does not demonstrate a shared origin. If you cannot find a reliable source that confirms that the English word was derived from the Chinese — and you can't — then leave it alone. — ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 14:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Much of internet culture is undocumented, but the term newbie was popularized on an online chat-room in 1998-1999. It was a joke making fun of a Chinese historical television drama, where a female character, delighted at hearing praise, humbly replied, "Nubi (I, your humble servant) is unworthy of praise." This was made fun of on the chat-room as "Nubi is unworthy of praise", but because of perceived pronounciation difficulties, variants were used, such as substituting Nubi with Nuby, Nubie, Noobie, and Newbie. It was "Newbie is unworthy of praise," that someone at the chat-room remarked, "You're a newbie." This started a trend as people started calling each other newbies and the term quickly entered mainstream usage.--76.19.133.38 (talk) 00:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but that sounds like an extremely unlikely etymology. Words don't normally just become trends and magically become common words, (normally), and even when they do, they become fads, and quickly die out. A much simpler and more obvious origin would be from the english word "new", which much more of the internet (well, the part that uses the word newbie at least) would recognize, converted into a noun. (which is kind of weird to me too, but much less so than the possibility you proposed). 76.122.102.100 (talk) 23:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

People interpreted it to be meaning a rookie, because of the word "new" in it, and yes, it didn't establish itself in mainstream usage right away, but took awhile and is still largely limited to internet culture. The "new" is actually inspired from Newbery from Newbery Medal, and the -ie was added as if "nuby" is written in plural without the 's', it is also found in a word like "zombie."--76.19.133.38 (talk) 00:04, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Lol. This is really funny, but I guarantee n00b, newbie, and so forth are older than 1998. I imagine that chat channel was making fun of the movie because the line was interpretable in the context of the existing internet subcultural use of n00b, rather than an origin of the new meaning. Ie, 'Nubi is unworthy of praise' sounds like 'N00b is unworthy of praise'. --76.206.239.39 (talk) 16:57, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

derivation

Probably "new boy" was more relevant to the term's origin than "new baby".... AnonMoos (talk) 10:32, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Needs a comment about how it originated from mortal kombat

it needs a breif sentence about how it came from Noob Saibot - And that was the creators names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Headchopperz (talk • contribs) 17:53, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 174.61.16.141, 23 November 2010

See Antares (Evony)

174.61.16.141 (talk) 21:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

What do you want to change? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:16, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Untitled

The term noob is a slang to defined new comer or unskilled player, mostly in RPG. It may also refer to a certain played named IamShu as he is the worst played in the world — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.168.95 (talk) 00:42, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Split noob from Newbie

I typed in Noob in the search box and found that it redirects to Newbie. Everyone these days know that noob is different from newbie. A newbie is a new person at something, while a noob is the n word (swear). a noob is someone who is experienced but still used basic stuff (I heard on youtube that in mario kart wii if you still use automatic when you are experienced you are a noob) or pretends to be a newbie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.201.172 (talk) 02:15, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Correction: Everyone these days does not know that noob is not different from newbie, which it is not. A noob is a person who is new and a newbie is a person who is new. The notion that they're different is just a bunch of people regurgitating a definition that some guy made up thinking he was clever.

It's a bit like "kid", when describing actual kids it doesn't need to carry any negative connotation, though somtimes it might be used to emphasize aspects of kids considered negative in comparison with grownup adults, specially when it's used in reference to someone that is techinicly not a kid anymore; the different spellings and pronunciations with newbie/noob are often used to emphasize the intended meaning, usually the more leet'fied and distorted the more derogatory it is intended to be, but there hasn't been enough time for this to become a clearcut language rule and the usage and interpretation might vary quite a bit depending on who you're dealing with. --TiagoTiago (talk) 09:19, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Pronounciation Derivation

It should be noted that "noob" is derived from "newbie" by the way that Americans pronounce it (noob-ee) as opposed to the British and Australian pronunciation (nyew-bee). i.e. the "new" is said in the same way as "mew" and "few" and not like "zoo". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.164.21.1 (talk) 11:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Wrong. Many, if not most, Americans don't pronounce it "noobee". They pronounce it "nyewbee". Don't make things up. - M0rphzone (talk) 06:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

It's just where the Americans decided to pronounce all these English words different. The result makes a noob in itself. Gawsh. I can't take the paradox. xD Colabcalub (talk) 21:28, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Mistake in history section

"The term is believed to have entered online usage by 1981." should be "The term is believed to have entered online usage by 1988." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zambet (talk • contribs) 13:33, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

And you are citing what authoritative source for this assertion? Personally, I'm not sure that one can infer, from a Usenet reference alone, the first use of a neologism. — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 14:52, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

The article's statement's (above) citation is Usenet dated 1988. The article states that usage had reached online 1981. Therefore, "1988" is a mistake, WRT the citation. While the inference itself may not be reliable, at the least the inference & the citation should agree! Alsavage (talk) 23:06, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

(I indented your text per WP:TALK)

There's probably no real issue here, anyway, since USENET, being user-contributed, is not a reliable source per WP:RS. — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 23:47, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Newb vs Newbie

This is just a doubt from me, I don't have any source or anything, but are you sure Newb is short for Newbie? I've always been under the impression that Newb was just "childish spelling" for Noob, and that Newbie was a completely different word that meant "New player" (as discussed above). In other words, Newb and Noob would be synonyms, and would be both that derogative word (again, discussed above), and Newbie would mean "New player" and wouldn't have any relation whatsoever to "Newb". 206.41.92.18 (talk) 16:24, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 June 2012

Category:Video game terminology

ABunnell (talk) 04:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Reformatted for display. Dru of Id (talk) 07:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Mdann52 (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

it's noob

the word may technically be newbie, but the word noob is actually being added to the dictionary! so the article should be called Noob. here is a source to prove it:

http://www.geeksugar.com/3148046

and another:

http://www.destructoid.com/noob-to-become-the-millionth-word-in-the-english-language--131688.phtml

Noob and Newbie have different meanings.

Newbie is a ordinairy newbie. Noob is a term used for people who are experienced, acting like a newbie, often with an annoying attitute. That has been the meaning since online gaming started in 1995 (or so)... —Preceding unsigned comment added by VixensWay (talk • contribs) 22:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the page title should be changed to noob. Noob is a far more commonly used word, and is more relevant than "newbie" in most cases. If people can't come to a proper agreement over this, the term 'newbie' should have a separate page that explains the different meaning and usage of the word. Churkirby (talk) 18:50, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree at the guy above me. Voxhit (talk) 02:27, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Protection

It should be removed, there's no reason for this page to be protected. It's highly unlikely that this page will be vandalized, and I'm sure people can watchlist it.

Let's just un-protect it, and if that goes poorly, add it again later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.90.144.239 (talk) 03:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

<sarcasm> Yeah, that worked spectacularly well, didn't it? </sarcasm>

Considering that, in the past year, this page has attracted a ton of anonymous vandalism, I requested semi-protection be reinstated, if for no other reason than to allow the editing community to spend their valuable time doing something other than reverting non-conforming edits on this page.

Sorry, but it was getting to be a bit much. — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 14:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

F YOU LoL!! NooB !!! NooB!! F you Noob!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.70.29.80 (talk) 07:49, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Unprotect it. Voxhit (talk) 14:50, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

edit requests

Please add a wiktionary sisterlink

{{wiktionary|newbie|noob|n00b|newb}}

to the top of the article (just after the hatnotes)

-- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 21:26, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Partly done: I've added it to the History section, where it looks less cluttered but still seems to make sense. Rivertorch (talk) 09:30, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Newbie shouldn't be redirected from noob because they both have different meanings, I think that there should be a separate article titled noob. Voxhit (talk) 23:25, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Leet

I find it strange that this word n00b, which is so obviously a Leet word, does not reference to the page for Leet at all. Is there a reason for this? It seems like it should both refer to leet in the text of the n00b article and link to the leet article.Tkemp (talk) 01:34, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Froobs

originating from noobs froobs are a mixture of the word fruit and noob. they are both simalar and you may think that it is a fruity noob. you would be wrong however because somehow fruit transfers to gay. noob meaning some one who is new or fails at life a froob would be a gay person who fails at life. for example miley cryrus is a froob. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.217.59 (talk) 00:37, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

noob:a weird annoying game nerd (maxy) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.74.219.239 (talk) 03:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Or a brand of yogurt. Colabcalub (talk) 11:06, 12 November 2011 (UTC) :D

Froob, a portmanteau of "free" and "noob" used to describe players who opt to view in-game advertising instead of paying a subscription fee in Anarchy Online. Ezhar Fairlight (talk) 21:40, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

References

I'm not sure if this counts but here's another one: n006

n stands for n, 0 stands for o, and 6 stands for b. you get noob = n006. I'm sure someone made a word called shroob —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.201.172 (talk) 02:52, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually in 1337 speak 6 does not stand for b. 6 is for g as it looks similar when G is capitalized (6-G). In 1337, 8 stands for B so it would properly be n008. 75.18.161.93 (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

HOWEVER

Leet speak is pointlessly stupid and was derived from mobile phone texting language. It is pointless, stupid, childish and only used by NOOBS...

Thus proving that Noob and Newb are two DIFFERENT words.

Thank you.

- Daryl — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.60.153 (talk) 02:23, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request from Dalleon, 23 August 2010

As the word Newbie and Noob are considered the same in many people's eyes, as the gaming has evolved so has the meaning to the word.

In the early 90's where gaming were pretty much born, the definition of noob were created. As the definition of Noob is considered a person who would or stay bad, he is ignorant of becoming better, A person who, regardless of experience, lacks the skill to be competitive in a certain game; Who wants everything to come easy instead of working hard to achieve something, and if they do try and yet fail at achieving to become better, their very much likely a noob.

If someone would basicly "pwn lol" this sort of person, - (Pwn, "Own" /Owned - definition of winning against the opponent in a game such as in a overrated way. Proving the person in the game, "Who's better"), he would become defensive and probably call the person who's winning either a hacker/cheater or noob.

Therefor he who uses the word noob against another person whilst loosing are pretty much considered noob themselves or in a denial state because someone is better, and if a Professional player calls someone a noob whilst winning; even if the person he's facing is good, he's just doing it for insulting and being rude towards the bad player and making him feel bad, causing his self-confidence to lack and the Professional person would feel better about himself for achieving something better than the losing person has.

A Newbie in the other hand is a person who's completely new to a game, area, rang, or thing and has the possibility to either becoming Professional or either a Noob.

As a Noob can be spelt in many ways within the Leet (1337) Language where you use numbers and letters to express yourself with. (n00b, noub, nub, nuub, n0ub, nab, n4b, etc, etc).

Here you got a definition of the word Noob.

Dalleon (talk) 02:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. We can't publish original research. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:41, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

ITS LOSING...not LOOSING.

You're a spelling noob!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.60.153 (talk) 02:26, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Origin of the word "newbie"

As a german speaker I would say that the word newbie comes from the phrase "to be new" or "new being" and not from the phrase "new boy". In german you would say "Neuling", in englisch "new kin" or "new member".--MBelzer (talk) 21:19, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

It came from English, not German, so this etymology/relation is highly unlikely. No one puts a verb after a noun as an adjective. It's the other way around. Also, no one uses "new being" - it's not a word or phrase. - M0rphzone (talk) 06:40, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I always thought the word originated from the TV show Romper Room, which ran in the 50-60's. The hostess would sing a chant for/about "good doobies" in her "magic mirror", and then call out some kids' names. "I see Alice, and I see Bob". "Good doobie" and the following "doobie" were pop culture phenoms, at least in the New York/New England area. The "goody two shoes" definition, combined with the show was being rather nauseating, meant the word was used as a minor insult. "Newbie", as well, was a minor insult in the beginning (geek's revenge?) until The Newbie Guide came along. Don't be a newbie! Dickbalaska (talk) 03:45, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

References

Noob

The person who made this article and made redirection from noob to newbie is real noob. The noob and newbie entries should be separated ASAP, they spread false informations and confuse people around world. Newb =/= Noob — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.205.225.110 (talk) 18:09, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Newb vs. noob

Ok guys, a noob is not the same as newbie....ask around in any gaming community...a noob can be a newbie, but a newbie is not necessary a n00b. We used to call these kobolds way back in the AD&D-days.....running around the gaming conventions, ruining gaming sessions and just being obnoxious, irritating and in huge need of growing up... Some "facts" 1. Being a newbie is unavoidable when doing something new. 2. Being a noob is easy to avoid by being humble and showing respect to those with experience and not acting childish. 3. key characteristics of a n00b: 3.1 Arrogant 3.2 Think you know something but really don't 3.3 Try to tell others how things are/work, without the knowledge and the experience to back it up. Spreading misinformation. 3.4 Behaving childish 3.5 bragging about stuff not worth bragging about since it involves no skill, no difficulty, no effort or anything else that would make it worthy of bragging. (like: Hey! Today I killed a rat and found 3 cp)

/H — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.55.110.220 (talk) 12:36, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree with the people here who say that "newbie" and "noob" have different meanings. I have been using the Internet for many years and talked to many people on different forums and I am absolutely sure that the two terms have different meanings. A newbie is a newcomer, yes. But "n00b" and its variations have nothing to do with "newbie". A noob is someone who is annoying, stupid, ridiculous, spammy, etc. A n00b can be a newbie and vice versa but they by no means are the same thing. Something has to be done about this page. Strawberry~ (talk) 01:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't the distinction between Newbie and Noobie be made. Newbie being the new player needing to be helped at the game. Noobie being a griefer or troll generally ruining the experience for others. Further explanation for Nub and Nublet need to be added with references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.127.11.24 (talk) 22:12, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

A Newbie, is a person who is a new player. Often unskilled or unaware of how things work and often ask for help. A noob, was derived primarily from First Person Shooting games, this is a person who lies, is deceitful, a troll, a scammer, a spammer or a cheater who intends to ruin the experience for another person, a noob also typically uses a form of 1337 speak in order to aggrivate other people. KingKKRON (talk) 12:27, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

The term noob was first used amongst gamers, particularly in the FPS genre. It was used to describe a player who continiously swore, lie and would spam to aggrovate other players. In more modern gaming usage, it is used in MMORPG's mistakenly for newb, a new player. There is a large difference between the terminology of the two words, as explained above a new player does not spam, cheat or troll in order to gain attention from other players, however a noob will. The original terminology of the word n00b has lost it's meaning for many people, where they have grown into a era of gaming where new players are branded as being spammers, trolls, cheaters and deceitful people, however are only branded as such because the new era of gamers never learned the original terminolgy therefore use it in the manner which they believe is correct. KingKKRON (talk) 12:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I must disagree, in my perception the term noob came from the name 'Noob Saibot', which was a character in the game Mortal Kombat 2 (1993 i think) and was the easiest character to play with many many abilities. All players who didn't know how to play the game played 'Noob Saibot', hence the term Noob in other games for players who don't know how to play the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.209.204.209 (talk) 11:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

This is the sort of information that tends to be largely undocumented, as it is very sub-culture specific. Labored research may go so far as to find an obscure forum thread from 2003 or so that explores the difference. Among the gamer subculture, it is largely accepted that 'newb' or 'newbie' refers to a player bungling due to inexperience, and 'noob' separately refers to virtually anyone that an experienced player finds obnoxious-- especially another player that behaves as though they are inexperienced, despite evidence to the contrary. Motivation for behaving in such a manner can include a desire to irritate others (typically referred to as 'trolling') or simply being a thoughtless idiot, with a sheer inability to learn from the mistakes of others or oneself. VanGarrett (talk) 05:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

The Urban Dictionary would perhaps be the reference on this. The first article on 'noob' clearly makes a distinction from 'newbie'. I'm going to make a note that you'll mostly find people with a 'noobish' attitude calling other people 'noob' even though they're seen as new to something.Faro0485 (talk) 06:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Urban Dictionary does not meet WP:RS; it is open to contributions from anyone, and therefore cannot generally be used as a source within Wikipedia. --Aquillion (talk) 09:24, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

So a wikipedia, a site that is open to contribution from anyone, doesn't accept information from a site that is open to contribution from anyone? How does that make sense? It's pretty simple, newbies are new to a game, noobs however are not new, they're simply unwilling to be the type of player you'd want to play with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.151.6.222 (talk) 21:01, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I second this, this page is uninforming a lot of people and it needs to be changed. 66.41.83.205 (talk) 14:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

alright. I agree with the distinction and I'll try to change the page to not be misleading. but it is the case that wikipedia doesn't accept information from sites open to contribution by anyone. We have to rely on reliable sources for our articles specifically because our editors are anonymous. Protonk (talk) 02:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I think a newbie is just some one new to the game, and a noob is anyone (new or not) who is either annoying or uses tactics considered to be too easy for them Tyler John (talk) 19:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to point out that the general consensus of people who have commented on the discussion of the difference in meanings have pretty much all agreed that there is a difference between "newb"/"newbie" and "noob"/"n00b". I think by that fact alone we should make the distinction. I don't think a new article is in order, as "n00b" is derived from "newb". Ryoga-2003 (talk) 05:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

i agree we need to let people know the diffrence between a newb and a n00b there is a huge diffrence and i agree with every thing said above! (Supersmashbros123456 (talk) 15:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC))

Noob comes from newbie.., it just slang or different wording of the word. It means the same thing. Like people will say "noob" to mean idiot, just like saying newbie which means the samething. Inotherwords, in their mind saying "noob" is cool/new lingo. If i am wrong, then why do so many use it like that? I don't know why there is such discussion on this or why their even needs to be an article on it. Kingkkron, i agree with half your post. ~~majinsnake~~ 7 may 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Majinsnake (talk • contribs) 23:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Here. http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20060823. Read it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NuparuMahnika (talk • contribs) 14:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I beg to differ with the above comment. Newbie or newb and noob have completely different meanings. But unfortunately many are do not know the difference. Newbie refers to a new player, someone who who is unsure of the going-ons of the game simply because he or she is new to it. A noob however, as mentioned above is someone who spoils the gaming experience for others. Newbies deserve some help and guidance as they are new to the game and should perhaps be given some basic pointers. Noobs however, are not new to have already had time to learn what should or should not be done and yet are still spoiling the gaming experience for others, although admittedly some noobs do this unintentionally. These definitions only apply to internet gaming however. But I am quite certain that using these terms in other contexts would be quite awkward. (innocentboi) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innocentboi (talk • contribs) 12:09, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

If "many do not know the difference" [sic], perhaps there is no difference. Maybe in some circles, there is a clear distinction between the two words, but in most places, the two mean the exact same thing. See wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/N00b. (I would cite Webster, but he's only listed "newb" as a shortening of "newbie", which he basically defined as someone new.) As for common usage, I don't really know how to prove anything, all I can offer is anecdotal evidence. 76.122.102.100 (talk) 23:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I second the above. Noob is the insulting version of newbie. Yes, newbie "just" means new comer. But it's precisely because a new comer is expected to be clueless that calling an "experienced" person "newbie" would be insulting. It's just that "noob" is better suited for insulting than "newbie", but they have the same root. Hrimhariw (talk) 19:24, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

In my humble opinion, the reason why "noob" gained so many more meanings is that it became such a common insult that people inferred all sort of things from it, when actually it just means this: you're so lame that no matter how much time you dedicated to this game, it's as if you had just joined. Hrimhariw (talk) 16:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you. "Noob" seems to have many meanings, although they are all similar.

For example: 1. An annoying but devoted person to a game who does things that makes them seem like a newb. 2. A person who thinks they are the best and refuse to learn a better way than theirs. 3. Someone who acts idiotic and acts immature although they know better.

And "newb" just means a clueless newcomer. So basically "noob" is a insulting version of "newb". And therefore they are somewhat the same. And different. But I digress.

P.S. I doubt an actual "experienced" person would be called a "newb/noob", unless the person saying so was one. --114.241.28.45 (talk) 04:03, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

So, as far as I can tell (and I was on the internet as of 1991), 'n00b' is the 1337-spelling of newbie, and 'noob' is a backformation from 'n00b' by people too lazy to reach for the zeroes. 'n00b' should be properly pronounced just like 'newbie' (two syllables, n00-b), although its commonly pronounced as a single syllable now. The reason for the perception of a derogatory nature of 'n00b' is that, coming from 1337 culture, where being 1337 was the ideal state, the opposite of 1337ness (ie, being a n00b) was a bad thing. Its nothing inherent to the term itself, so much as a facet of the subculture which spawned the spelling. Amongst those cultures which hold themselves to a similar standard (1337ness is the pinnacle achievement), n00bishness will be considered poor form regardless of whether you spell it 'newbie', 'noob', 'newb', or whatever. So its not so much that the word means something different as the communities or individuals which foster the 1337 attitude look down on someone whom that label describes. --76.206.239.39 (talk) 16:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

The gentleman immediately above me is correct. I do not have a source, only anecdotal evidence that "noob" is the lazy-man's "n00b" which was simply "newb" written in "1337" or "l33t". Any attempt to distinguish the two is a social web phenomenon that may or may not be significant to the widespread use of the term. To call any garbage player a "n00b" (newbie or not) was the best way to rile them, as it would immediately incite a war of net cred, displaying ranks and game history and discussions of what patch you had owned what game since. This is why it's essentially a universal term for the annoying or crappy player. You are simply assumed to be bad because you do not have the experience that the other person has. Again, this is simply anecdotal evidence from a 15+ year user of the internet. 65.96.29.38 (talk) 03:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

A newb is someone who is learning, a noob is someone who refuses to learn. --174.71.78.253 (talk) 00:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Refs for the difference. http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/5/6/8/3/noob.jpg http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=noob http://geekdictionary.computing.net/define/noob Refs against the difference. ....

A newb is someone who's new at a video game and a noob is someone who's bad at a video game and is ignorant about it. Only a noob wouldn't know the difference. Voxhit (talk) 14:46, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Newb vs noob

I agree with Voxhit (talk) to a point. Newb and Noob are two DIFFERENT words. Both with DIFFERENT uses and meanings.

HOWEVER... The origin of the Gamer word "Noob" is actually incorrect. Noob was created BEFORE the online popularity of FPS games. It was created on old online RPGs, in fact, and was used as a way of "combating" the censorship of most of the chat.

Noob was the only way of saying Nob without it being converted into the typical censorship ***'s. Other words were also created, like Kunt, Fook, F00k, N00b, Wank3r, D1ckhead... Leet Speak or 1337 Speak is BASICALLY just the same thing, only THAT became popular...among Noobs!!

- Daryl — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.60.153 (talk) 02:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

==Grammatical error==saipani is the noobest of noob he is the trashest of trash

The word 'alternative' should be used were 'alternate' was written. It's ironic that a newb mistake like this would have been made on this page. Robin.Anderson (talk) 19:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC) pie

'where' ahem! newb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.232.191.21 (talk) 14:27, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

• Necrothread lol Protonk (talk) 15:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

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Example of Vietnam War usage (October 2014)

In his memoir, "Reflections of a Warrior", Medal of Honor recipient Franklin D. Miller uses the term "newbie" comparatively in 1968 to establish the difference between his high level of experience leading actual recon teams on missions deep within enemy territory, and the relative inexperience of newly-arrived Special Forces soldiers from Fort Bragg (NC) who may have been trained-up to the latest standards, but lacked practical experience in the field.

On page 73 of his book, highlighting the repeated failings of his assistant team leader, Miller states:

"It was getting dark and I told the One-Zero [team leader] that we should stay there because it was a secure area. I let him know the enemy just left and probably wouldn't return for a while. The One-One [assistant team leader] challenged my recommendation. That pissed me off, and we had a short verbal skirmish right there.

The team leader halted the conversation. He saw that I knew what I was doing and could lead the patrol by myself. He was aware that I wasn't some "newbie" from Fort Bragg, and that I had twice his amount of experience at running patrols.

We stayed at the camp."

Would there be usefulness to having this material integrated into the article and cited? I would think so but am unsure as to how best to make use of it. joepa^T 19:47, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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Capitalization

Two related terms are "newb", a beginner who is willing to learn; and "noob" (often spelt "n00b", "nuub" or "nub"), a derogatory name for an inexperienced or under-talented hacker or gamer, who lacks the determination to learn. "noob" was among candidates for the one-millionth English word selection by the Global Language Monitor.

As the bold word is the beginning of a sentence, shouldn't it be capitalized? 172.56.11.171 (talk) 20:42, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Never done this before but here is a hint for you so you know the meaning of a word I made up for fun in gaming in March of 1998. My name is Christopher Dale Olson. I am now 40 years of age. My birth date is 05.06.75 I always wondered who would try to claim they made my word, and since it is so commonly used today, I thought why not look it up and see who is trying to claim they typed n00b into chat in delta force. Yup, again that is me. The meaning is a disrespect towards your enemy when they use an explosive such as a m203 or shoulder fired law rocket to kill himself and you at the same time. A "New B" or newb was a friend or buddy who lacked skill or talent and you named them newb for fun because you then claimed to have more talent at the game. A nub was a derivative of n00b, however more derogative. I saw a guy use the name "nab" somewhere on here, I think that's funny, because The 1st time I saw someone constantly using that name was in 1998, now it might have been later, but none the less it is odd and if your name is Corey and you are from Cali- I salute you dear old friend.......I am now in liver failure and need a transplant so I figured it is time to report/observe what the mass's have to say about my gaming term. It was so fun over the years having people ask me wtf a n00b was. Now you all know. So yeah, if you want any more info, email me. toetagsnbodybags@gmail.com §DF1ToeTags (talk) 14:47, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Great story, but your testimony does not qualify as a reliable source. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:58, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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Other possibility of etymology

Well when I first heard about newbies it was about internet as many, but then it immediatly remembered me the clubs system of ranks. In the Bikers Clubs i.e., when you want to become aa member, you usually start as "the new wanabee", then when another one comes you will be a simple wanabee, then you become member (or some other ranks between). Wanabee is from "want to be" of course, so would a "new wanabee" be the origin of "newbie" ? The meaning is the same at least, AND it sounds similar. Would be quite a coincidence if it's not the proper etymology ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 21:36, 16 February 2018 (UTC) (talk)

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the word noob was invented by mona chehade 94.187.54.250 (talk) 17:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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noob, n00b, and newb can also be used as an insult it can mean "bad" or "slow" Thefireball321 (talk) 17:04, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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Add that the term “noob” is used most used in the Roblox community. 108.185.119.98 (talk) 02:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

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