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I find the current photo choosed as first in the infobox to be inappropriate for what is primarly a music group. A fashion even should not be used to portray them in favor of a music event. I think that the "NewJeans at the 2023 Melon Music Awards" photo would be vastly better as a first pick.
My edit was reverted by editor @ValenciaThunderbolt with this reasoning: It's preferable to go with the most recent image.
I wanted to ask, why this preference for a one year more recent picture instead of a picture that represent the subjects in their main activity? MOS:LEADIMAGE states that Lead images should be natural and appropriate representations of the topic. This seems to support my choice.
Look for exemple at the portrait of Trump on the infobox. It is from 2017, there will be many many photos to choose from that are more recent. Still that one is picked because it is the most appropriate representations. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 21:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MOS:LEADIMAGE goes in even more detail, stating: "be the type of image used for similar purposes in high-quality reference works, and therefore what our readers will expect to see"
If you search for NewJeans on google images you can see that the group is almost exclusivelly associated with colorful or informal fits. The Wikipedia photos is the only one that stands out as extremelly formal. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 12:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My first thought is who cares what event it's from as long as it's a good photo that shows them as they're generally known to look?But, the Seoul Fashion Week picture is a pretty bad photograph. They all look tired and lifeless and it's not representative of their normal look.If we're going to use from the 2023 MMA event then we should choose a capture where all their faces are visible, like this one: or alternatively this one (though the microphone isn't ideal; someone with better skills than I could probably composite from another frame in the video where she's not holding the microphone):
@RachelTensions "a good photo that shows them as they're generally known to look"
That's exactly what I've been trying to say in the past messages. Glad you agree that a music event is better suited than a fashion event for a music group. I also agree that that specific picture of the Seoul Fashion Week is lifeless. Double issues.
I like the current pick from MMA because they are all smiling, but I do understand your argument about their faces being visible on this one which probably makes it better suited. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 15:50, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RachelTensions Your second pick is also good, maybe the best compromise among the different needs. I favor them smiling despite Haerin mouth being covered. I think that either this one or the one currently on the page are good picks. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 16:15, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a composite of the two images with all members smiling and showing their faces:
IMO, the 3rd image referenced by RachelTensions is the best out of the 3 edited or non-edited images. Regardless, not sure what and why is the hoo-ha as the previous (not AI-enhanced image) is already following the advice of natural and appropriate representations of the [subject] ... what our readers will expect to see in which it was already to give readers visual confirmation that they've arrived at the right page. —Paper9oll(🔔 • 📝)10:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tagged as composited, likely 2-3 frames from different timestamp pieced together. However, isn't obvious on the surface to tell apart in terms of originality, the only defect (on zooming in) I can find is the top right corner i.e. the after effects of spot healing however when used in Infobox sizing in desktop (smaller render) or mobile web (slightly larger) or mobile app (slightly larger than mobile web), it's not noticeable. —Paper9oll(🔔 • 📝)11:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've discovered that WP:COLLAGE are indeed allowed. I do understand that having all faces clearly visible in an high profile entertainment page can be considered important. So, even though I dislike composite images of humans for ethical reasons, I agree with you two with this being the best pick. I'll proceed to edit it in. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 11:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, it’s a composite of two frames from seconds apart in the same video to make sure her face is fully showing. It’s not like the frame of her without the microphone was constructed from another video, or interpolated out of thin air by AI. We’re not portraying the subjects in a possibly controversial position or painting them in a bad light by ensuring her face isn’t blocked by a microphone. RachelTensions (talk) 11:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Recently, NewJeans has disbanded as a group and I have noticed that there has been no edit to the article on this. I request that we edit it. Aeriilysm (talk) 01:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As expected this has instantly become a contentious topic. While it is subject to interpretation what "disbandment" means, if NewJeans members can unilaterally break a contract, if only the subsequent fees are at stake and such... There is zero doubt that the members have vowed to not keep working on new projects under the agency. This is a crucial piece of informations that has to be prominently displayed. I will proceed to edit the body and lead accordingly. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 15:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't, it is now. Like I said the discussion around the contract is not the only relevant information. The five members going to pursue their career independently from ADOR also is, regardless if it is legal or not. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 15:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just added in the info about the min hee jin dispatch incident and the stance of other official groups about the contract issue. I am not sure if this is objective enough based on what I wrote and its actually very sensitive to say the least because editors may not have the mindset of viewing it in a neutral way. Hope to hear your opinions and how to change from here. groups@Cinemaandpolitics, @Aeriilysm, @Nkon21, @RachelTensions, @RobertskyNelsonLee20042020 (talk) 08:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
