Talk:National Coalition of Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces

Name in English

perhaps a bit pedantic, but the name would be slightly different if a strict translation would be applied: National (or Patriotic, etc.) Coalition (or Alliance) of the Forces of the Syrian Revolution and Opposition. Since 'Syrian' is in feminine gender, it can't relate to the Coalition, as Coalition is a masculine noun in Arabic. Rather it refers to Revolution and Opposition (two feminine nouns). Using the name 'Syrian National Coalition' brings the association very close to 'Syrian National Council', with the risk of creating confusion. Could we move the article? --Soman (talk) 10:17, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

The Washington Post calls it the National Coalition for Revolutionary Forces and the Syrian Opposition. Reuters goes with Syrian National Coalition for Opposition and Revolutionary Forces.--Comet21 (talk) 14:14, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

In other words, there is no established English naming habit and we can thus procede to use a grammatically correct translation as the title. --Soman (talk) 20:32, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

The BBC calls it the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces, which is why I moved the title there. It's also close to a literal rendering. We probably shouldn't make up our own, though.

Turkish WP claims English is co-official and that the English name is "Opposition Syrian Revolution Coalition Forces". However, that phrase gets no other Ghits.

Created a rd for the W.Post rendering. — kwami (talk) 21:16, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

"National Coalition of Syrian Revolution and Opposition Forces" is the official name according to website http://www.etilaf.org and facebook page https://www.facebook.com/SyrianNationalCoalition --Tonemgub2010 (talk) 23:37, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Probably not the best name, since it's ungrammatical, and they might fix it later. — kwami (talk) 23:47, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Recognition

The information contained in the Article, that the USA has recognized the Coalition as the "legitimate Government" of Syria is SERIOUSLY WRONG. Check the Note from the Department of State, it says no such a thing, though it endorses the coalition. For a starter, the Coalition itself has not claimed to be a Government in-waiting or anything of the sort (check their "12 points" signed in Doha). I believe the information is also not true of the Arab League and most - probably all - of the countries listed. SOMEONE PLEASE VERIFY ALL THAT INFORMATION, because there are several nuances the the countries and organization's declarations, and most, if not all of them, fall short of recognizing the coalition as a "Government". The information was put up hastily and very innacurately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.101.134.146 (talk) 08:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Do we have a ref that the Arab League rec's the NC as the legitimate govt of Syria, or only as the voice of the opposition? For that matter, does the GCC really rec is as the govt, or are the news reports misleading? — kwami (talk) 23:49, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I think we settled that in the map. Sopher99 (talk) 00:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

The WSJ just said they recognized the coalition as the official voice of the opposition. [1] is closer, but I'm still not sure. I've removed the Arab League members from the table and fixed the other statement so it agrees with the source. Ryan Vesey 03:01, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Recognition numbering

Rather than use the current system. What would people think about using single numbers and giving states that recognized the coalition as the legitimate government on the same day precedence in alphabetical order. That is how it is done in International recognition of the State of Palestine. To be clear, Bahrain would be listed first, followed by Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE. Bahrain would be listed 1 with Kuwait 2 etc. Ryan Vesey 03:07, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

If we don't want a range, then we could number them all 1, then number the next country to recognize as 7. That's what's normally done with ties. — kwami (talk) 04:02, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

That makes better sense. Ryan Vesey 04:40, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Arab League

Arab League didn't recognised the Coalition. For example, you included Iraq and Algires? Leave it out. Neither of those, including Lebanon, didn't recognised the coalition, what are we talking about? You take claim of the Qatari state TV as a source. The CNN quotes the Qatarti TV, and any other media didn't reported this. It's false ofcousre. --Wüstenfuchs 18:52, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I've removed it again. The second paragraph in international support lays out the Arab Leagues current position. Ryan Vesey 19:00, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

France

The Reuters article says that France rec's the group formed on 11 Nov. But their quote of Hollande says that they rec the Syrian National Council, not the coalition. Translation error, maybe? — kwami (talk) 22:25, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Seems so: Le Monde says "J'annonce que la France reconnaît la Coalition nationale syrienne comme la seule représentante du peuple syrien et donc comme le futur gouvernement provisoire de la Syrie démocratique permettant d'en terminer avec le régime de Bachar al-Assad", a déclaré M. Hollande.[2] — kwami (talk) 22:27, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I believe it was only a lapsus linguae by the President Hollande. Never mind. --Wüstenfuchs 22:30, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I replaced both refs. If we really want to include the Thomson Reuters one, then we would have to NPOV it - Thomson Reuters claims that ... and France 24 and Europe 1/Thomson Reuters claim something else. But France 24 and Europe 1/Thomson Reuters give a quote which is most likely original (untranslated, cf Ahmadinejad's statement about wanting a certain government to disappear like the Soviet Union disappeared...), so I think we are justified to remove the dubious reference without this counting as OR. The Le Monde ref is not so useful - Le Monde is a mainstream French newspaper, but it chose to make its articles unarchivable - sooner or later this particular article is likely to become subscription-only, making verification by future Wikipedians more difficult. Boud (talk) 22:57, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm just wondering if "unique representative" might sound like a better translation than "only representative" - "unique" sounds to me a bit more like standard diplomatic terminology than "only". "Legitimate" is not there in the quote. Boud (talk) 23:07, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Or "single representative". Boud (talk) 23:23, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

"future government" vs "[present] government": In the France 24 quotes, in later sentences Hollande refers to "gouvernement provisoire" - without "future", but talking in the future tense - and then plain "government" with France 24 adding its own interpretation "[provisoire]". Given that he starts out saying "future interim government", I think the subsequent statements are only intended to be abbreviated references to what he has already said. So we cannot say that he is recognising the NCSROF as "the government" of Syria. IMHO it's reasonable to include this in the list - we can't expect each government to use exactly the same language - "only representative" clearly means de-recognising the Bashar al-Assad government/ex-government (according to POV). Boud (talk) 23:23, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Libya

Remember Libya recognized even old SNC

International_recognition_of_the_Syrian_National_Council

What should be done about the article, International_recognition_of_the_Syrian_National_Council, now that the SNC has merged into this larger coalition? Intelligent Deathclaw (talk) 12:48, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I imagine most of the rec would transfer. Perhaps some kind of merger? — kwami (talk) 19:04, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

We should assume that the recognitions automatically transfer over without a source saying that. I think it's worth keeping it as a separate article as a historical record of the status prior to the merger. If this article gets too large we could consider splitting the recognitions from this article and merging it into (a renamed) International recognition of the Syrian National Council. TDL (talk) 01:51, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

We should not assume that. That is original research. Ryan Vesey 02:13, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Oops, that was a typo. I meant to say that we shouldn't assume that the recognitions would transfer over in response to kwami. TDL (talk) 03:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Tunisia and Libya delay recognizing Syrian opposition - www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/22/us-syria-crisis-tunisia-libya-idUSBRE8AL0P220121122 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.9.72.208 (talk) 18:50, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No move for now. Rough consensus that this is premature. Cúchullain ^t/c 16:49, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

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National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces → Syrian National Coalition – per Wikipedia:Common names: "Syrian National Coalition" is by far more common in the relevant sources than the official name. Cf. 4,610 Google news hits for "Syrian National Coalition" vs. 308 hits for the current name, 2,450 hits for "Syrian National Coalition for Opposition and Revolutionary Forces". Wikipedia's policy on article titles prefers common names over official ones. --RJFF (talk) 15:48, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support - Syrian National Coalition is the common name. TDL (talk) 16:22, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

In addition to Syrian National Coalition being more recognizable and natural due to being the common name, the current title is over-precise and Syrian National Coalition is more concise. As for consistency, I'm not aware of any guideline on this, so let's call that a wash. Thus, SNC is favored for 4/5 of the naming criteria, and neutral on one. TDL (talk) 17:20, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose - the organization is only a few days old. Far to early to talk about a common name, and by no means conclusive google count (there are numerous possible combinations, difficult to say how they should be weighted). --Soman (talk) 17:36, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

So if you think it's too early to determine the common name, do you have a policy based argument for why the current title is the correct one? TDL (talk) 17:20, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I explained earlier on the Arabic grammar of the name. As per criteria, I would say precision. 'Syrian National Coalition' is very close to 'Syrian National Council', opening up for confusion. Having the grammatically more correct title is also a way to establish disambiguation. --Soman (talk) 19:28, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

We have hatnotes to avoid confusion. --RJFF (talk) 19:45, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose per both Soman's points. I would in particular note trying to gauge common name by such a small difference in Google news hits (not even double) almost always fails. Nil Einne (talk) 10:13, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

So which of the naming criteria support the current title? TDL (talk) 17:20, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. You do realize that the search results for "Syrian National Coalition" include all the results for the longer "Syrian National Coalition for Opposition and Revolutionary Forces", right? Which leaves you with less than 2,200 hits that are specific to "Syrian National Coalition". Flawed search and too early to make a decision on common name. Moving it to ""Syrian National Coalition for Opposition and Revolutionary Forces" might be prudent though. Yazan (talk) 10:54, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

So which of the naming criteria support the current title? TDL (talk) 17:20, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't usually respond well to badgering. So perhaps you could open your eyes and read my comment, then you'll see that I don't particularly like this name and I support moving it to the name currently being used "Syrian National Coalition for Opposition and Revolutionary Forces". Once, and if, "Syrian National Coalition" becomes the de facto name, we can move it there. Yazan (talk) 17:34, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

And I don't usually respond well to personal attacks. I can only read what you type, not what you think. Your original post stated merely that you might support a move to Syrian National Coalition for Opposition and Revolutionary Forces.

Instead of questioning my eyesight, why don't you address the question? If you discount our ability to determine the common name, then which of the five naming criteria favour the current title over the proposed title? Which criteria support a move to "Syrian National Coalition for Opposition and Revolutionary Forces"? TDL (talk) 17:53, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

"Syrian National Council" without "Syrian National Coalition for Opposition and Revolutionary Forces" produces 4,240 results, "Syrian National Coalition for Opposition and Revolutionary Forces" produces 2,520 results. That's considerably more. And in my eyes not a flawed search. WP:UCN does not require twice as many hits as the official name. It just advises to use the most common name, unless it is ambiguous or inaccurate, which is not the case here. --RJFF (talk) 18:40, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support per the same reason as Danlaycock. Intelligent Deathclaw (talk) 12:40, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
• Support per the same reason as Intelligent Deathclaw.--Chauahuasachca (talk) 00:03, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose per Soman, Yazan. Drmies (talk) 03:23, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Guys Dear fellow editors, this is a discussion, not a vote. Posts like "Support per Nameofuser" or "Oppose per Nameofuser" are barely useful. If the closing administrator takes their job seriously, they won't count the bolded "votes", but which arguments are more convincing and accepted. So, please take your time to comment on the arguments or add new reasons. Thank you. --RJFF (talk) 15:46, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

• Also, this is a rather formal discussion, so surely there is a better word to use than "guys". At any rate, I'm changing my vote to Oppose: I agree completely with the cogent arguments put forward by editors Soman, that organization is only a few days old and that it is far too early to talk about a common name and that a Google count is most likely not conclusive since there are numerous possible combinations and it's difficult to say how they should be weighted, and Yazan, esp. their comments on the difficulty of establishing (inventing) a "proper" name via a Google search. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 16:16, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I simply think we should give it a few days, weeks. If the news sources converge to naming it by the shorter handle of Syrian National Coalition, it can be moved, and I would support that. But for now, we should keep the longer, more precise name. The difference in Google hits at this stage is negligible... but in a couple of weeks time, we'll have a clearer picture. There's nothing urgent about this move.

Furthermore, the name does create confusion with the Syrian National Council. You correctly point out that we have hatnotes for this article, but what about when it appears in other articles? there will be some confusion, especially if you take into consideration that they both would have the same abbreviation (SNC). IMHO, there's not enough evidence to support a move at this moment.

Addendum: as I stated before, I would support a move to the longer, precise name most used by news sources, rather than the Arabic translation of the name which is the current one. The current one certainly violates WP:OR. Yazan (talk) 16:41, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it is OR. It is used by the BBC, the US State Department, the Japanese Foreign Ministry, the German Embassy in Lebanon, the Christian Science Monitor and other sources. It is just not the most WP:Common name. But we have to be careful: sometimes Wikipedia influences news sources as well, because some journalists rely on WP as a source. So this becomes a circle (WP relies on the media, the media rely on WP) --RJFF (talk) 17:59, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Comment struck per the sources provided. Yazan (talk) 18:26, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

If "guys" offends you, I change my address to "dear fellow editors". --RJFF (talk) 17:59, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Now that sounds a lot nicer. Seriously, not every one hear is familiar with the way in which young people in the US address each other, and this is a very international topic. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 20:00, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose - For now it should be left as is, it's too early to decided what the common name will be, but most like it would be "Syrian National Council" as it's shorter.--Wikien2009 (talk) 22:08, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

  Typo? "Syrian National Council" is already taken up by an organisation which is expected to get 22 seats on the council of the NCSROF (this organisation). Boud (talk) 22:41, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose - per Wikien2009 (although I don't think hen means "Syrian National Council"). I think we should table this for now and come back to it in two to six weeks. I noticed that foreignpolicy.com refers to it as "rather awkwardly dubbed 'the Syrian National Coalition for Opposition and Revolutionary Forces' -- or 'National Coalition' (NC) for short."[3]. The Syria Comment blog also uses the term "National Coalition" or "Syria's National Coalition". It seems like National Coalition or National Coalition (Syria) are also possible titles.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 22:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose for the moment:
  • NCSROF (full version) is unlikely to be used/is not used as a common name:
    • common sense: The full name of the NCSROF takes a huge fraction of a 30-second sound bite on TV, it's too long for most newspaper headlines or one-line "official Western mainstream authorised news text bites" that bombard much of the world (unless the NCSROF acronym is used), so common sense says that many sources are likely to find whatever short name they can guess and which they think will be acceptable to their advertisers, governmental "inside" contacts, and audience.
    • actual sources: many mainstream Western newspapers have chosen Syrian National Coalition, so it's a good candidate. However, use of a search engine such as DuckDuckGo gives me about equal numbers for Coalition without NCSROF vs NCSROF. Google is not the only search engine - Wikipedia does not have to be monotheist regarding web searches.
  • ambiguity: hatnotes (disambiguation comments at the top of this article and the SN Council article) are sufficient to sort this out, so this is not an argument against the short name.
  • too early: WP:COMMON: the reliable sources referred to in WP:UCN cannot reliably report on the most common name without a reasonable time delay for usage to develop in the English-speaking world. As of 18 November, the organisation has only existed for 7 days. All the comments opposing seem to be opposing because of the lack of time for a common name to develop. In other words, we cannot use the common name until there has been a reasonable enough delay for a common name to come into existence. As per several other comments above, waiting for a few weeks or so before considering a new proposal seems reasonable to me. In a month's time, it'll make sense to propose probably Syrian National Coalition or National Coalition (Syria). Boud (talk) 23:11, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

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Turkey and Italy

Per [4], Turkish and Italian rec. is not diplomatic, but like the political rec. of the USA. These should not be listed in the table (unless we include all such countries, which we currently do not), and should be chartreuse on the map. — kwami (talk) 19:20, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

http://www.aa.com.tr/en/headline/100601--turkish-foreign-minister-says-his-country-recognizes-syrian-national-coalition-as-the-sole-legitimate-representative-of-syrian-people

http://www.france24.com/en/20121115-turkey-recognises-new-syrian-opposition

http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=456953

Turkey recognized it as sole legitimate representative, (ceasing recognition of Syrian government). Sopher99 (talk) 19:46, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if this means they ceased to recognise the Syrian governemnt... a few days ago Bashar al-Assad congratulated Oman's Sultan on Oman's National Day. Oman is amongst those countries that recognised the Coalition as a "sole" representative. --Wüstenfuchs 20:11, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

1- Thats Syria's recognition of Oman, not Oman's recognition of Syria. 2. Bahrain congratulated Gaddafi on Eid last year, even though Bahrain recognized the NTC Sopher99 (talk) 20:25, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

sources for membership list

The source that I have added is a 12 November Le Monde blog post by Ignace Leverrier who seems to be a former French diplomat. It's not ideal, but it's better than nothing. Le Monde presumably controls who it allows to blog and someone falsely claiming to be a former diplomat would probably be debunked, so this falls under the blog exception clause, at least for the moment. I didn't change spellings, except for s/Hussien/Hussein/. Some clues for tidying up what's left:

• Wasel al-Choummari is on Leverrier's list; Wasel al-Shamali is unsourced in the present version of the article. This could be a transliteration problem - English "sh" is normally written "ch" in French, though confusing "l" and "r" is not so common in these languages (even though the sounds are close) - but more sources should become available to avoid OR.
• Walid al-Bunni is not on Leverrier's list - Anwar al-Bunni is a notable Syrian human rights lawyer.
• Riyad Hijab is Wikipedia-notable but not on Leverrier's list. Maybe he was added to the NCSROF later?
• Are Khaled Abu Salah and Khaled Saleh really two different people? They are numbers 31 and 49 of Leverrier's article. Anyone starting articles on them should consider disambiguating right from the start.

Boud (talk) 23:54, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Tonemgub2010's info very strongly overlaps with the source I have added (Leverrier), but more sources would still be good. Boud (talk) 23:59, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Here you go: Source 1 and Source 2.

• His name is Wasel al-Shamali, not Wasel al-Choummari, Source.
• It's Walid al-Bunni, not Anwar al-Bunni. Source
• Riyad Hijab was not named in the list, but assumed because he attended the meeting See here
• Khaled Abu Salah is not the same as Khaled Saleh. Google the two names and you will see.

--Tonemgub2010 (talk) 22:40, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Tunisia and Libya do not yet recognise the NCSROF

I will remove the speculation about Libya's SNC recognition transferring automatically to the NCSROF: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/22/us-syria-crisis-tunisia-libya-idUSBRE8AL0P220121122 . Boud (talk) 22:36, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Spain

The cited sources ([5][6][7]) say that Spain recognizes the National Coalition as "único representante legítimo del pueblo sirio", which very literally translates to "sole legitimate representative of the Syrian people". There is no requirement to cite English-language sources. El Paìs and ABC are among the most reputable broadsheet papers of Spain. There is no doubt that these are reliable sources. --RJFF (talk) 09:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Norway

recognizes The NC as "the legitimate representative of the Syrian people"

http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/ud/pressesenter/pressemeldinger/2012/nasjonalkoalisjonen-representerer-det-sy.html?id=709541

I'm Norwegian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.9.72.208 (talk) 18:57, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Denmark

listed twice in list of recognizing countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.9.72.208 (talk) 18:06, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

ambiguity minor warning

This unsigned 11 Dec 2012 Daily Telegraph article archived calls NCSROF "the new Syrian opposition council" and even capitalises it further into the article: "the newly formed Syrian Opposition Council". Maybe the idea is that "new" disambiguates between SNC (old) and NCSROF (new)? Well, this is just mainstream Western media, we can't expect facts to be checked too deeply in this sort of RS. Boud (talk) 22:03, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

100 new recognitions

I think the 100 countries are the Friends of Syria –Spesh531, My talk, and External links 22:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

i think that it has been confirmed, and no longer a draft deceleration

I think it very unlikely that for instance Lebanon which has a Syrian-backed government, or Iraq who's Prime Minister but particularly coalition partners have been supportive of Assad and actually sent militiamen to fight in this conflict have recognized the SNC instead of Assad. It seems extremely unlikely to me that Hezbollah, which is listed as a combatant in the Syrian Civil War article on side of Assad, would recognize their enemy as sole representative of syria. I have been looking all over the internet for the last 3 days (since you posted that map) to try and find any shrivel of evidence that either countries have cut relations with Syria in favor of the SNC and found none at all. I did however find some indication that the Syrian ambassador to Lebanon still belongs to Assad rather than the SNC. Can you please show some sources that either of these two countries have cut relations with Syria and recognized the SNC as the sole legitimate representative? I'm very interested to see this.Kermanshahi (talk) 15:10, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Not all countries who participated in at least one conference recognize that the Syrian National Council as the sole representative of Syria. Better to state individually. A.h. king • Talk to me! 22:26, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Different number of countries that have recognized coalition

This source mentions that 130 international representatives have recognized the coalition. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/12/us-syria-crisis-draft-idUSBRE8BB0DC20121212 I'm not sure what to change the "92 countries" mentioned in the Diplomatic recognition subsection of the International support section of the article. David O. Johnson (talk) 02:57, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

I changed it to 130 other countries per the cited articleDavid O. Johnson (talk) 07:29, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok, can someone tell me which 130 states are part of Friends of Syria conference? Also what did they recognize it as? Surely not only representative of Syrian people, otherwise a lot of Syrian embassies would have a lot of packing to do. As alternative partner? Representative of opposition to regime of Bashar al-Assad? Or what? EllsworthSK (talk) 02:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Not all countries who participated in at least one conference recognize that the Syrian National Council as the sole representative of Syria. Better to state individually. A.h. king • Talk to me! 22:27, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Slovenia

Slovenia Recognizes Syrian National Coalition:

http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/66972-slovenia-recognizes-syrian-national-coalition — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.201.148.158 (talk) 02:07, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Recognition map

The map is currently protected on Commons due to an edit war over what "recognition" means. It would seem that neither version matches our caption. It would also seem to include a large amount of OR, some reflected in the comments above. I have therefore commented out the map. We really need RS's that all these countries have extended diplomatic recognition to the Coalition as the govt of Syria, and not just announced their support for it eventually becoming the govt of Syria, or other diplomatic double-speak such as being the legitimate representative of the Syrian people while they continue de-facto recognition of Assad. Dark green is supposed to be diplomatic recognition on the map, but it generally doesn't. — kwami (talk) 03:04, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Ghassan Hitto is the interim prime minister of this organization, which is neither a State nor some organization of great notability. The interim nature also makes his notability in wikipedia terms to be shaky - as such I propose a merge (with a redirect) until which time as more information and actual notability is established.--Cerejota (talk) 05:17, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

• It is recognized as a state by a UN Member, Libya. See other heads of government of partially recognized states with short articles: İrsen Küçük, Leonid Lakerbaia, Abdelkader Taleb Omar, Rostislav Khugayev. Hello32020 (talk) 06:28, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

The PM is of the interim government, not of the SNC.GreyShark (dibra) 06:06, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

SNC now has Diplomatic Mission in US

Also worth noting, the Assad regime's embassy has been dismissed from the United States several months ago: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27287650

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