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Timeline Rewrite

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The historical timeline is way too long for an encyclopedia article and is not consistent with other US banks articles on this site. Even banks that are older than National City do not have this much content. The current timeline style creates a list that will continue to grow out of control forever. Either the timeline needs to be split into its own article, condensed, or removed. Rbyrd8100 18:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I'm not bullying other users that is ridiculous and childish to even say (you put it in the summaries). I removed unsourced, incorrect information and comments from people that have vandalized it. That's it. The tag you put in there is better then it was, the one before made no sense, this one does. As an encyclopedia article the goal should not be to limit it's size. It should be to expand it with more information. Without the timeline the article is very small. Many bigger and smaller banks have a lot more information so I'm not sure where you are getting that one. As far as whether other banks pages have timelines, that is not that important. Conformity to a substandard format is not a good thing. Condensing the timeline is fine. But removing it, or removing too much of it's substance would be counterproductive and against the goal of wikipedia.Strunke 21:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Condensing is fine, and so is splitting it into its own article. A perfect example is JPMorgan Chase which has a much longer and richer history then NCC, but yet the history is simple, concise, and in paragraph format. Not a list that unfortunately includes every minor event of the company such as "when new atm's were installed" and will just keep getting longer and longer as time goes on.Rbyrd8100 04:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, what a hagiography of National City! Why is there nothing on this page about all of the small businesses being sued by National City for services they never received from National City assignor NorVergence?

Because very few people know about it and not many are affected by it, and it's a non issue because every bank is sued by somebody/organization about three times a day everyday. For an encyclopedia it's not appropriate. Wikipedia is not suppose to contain everyone's point of view on every thing in the encyclopedia. It's suppose to present the facts as they stand as an encyclopedia article. This is a major problem in wikipedia but because anyone can edit it turns into a more of a blog instead of an encyclopedia. Strunke 10:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Time line

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Hope you don't mind RevRagnarok I put a message on your talk page to because I wasn't sure if you would see this. Is it the timeline that is falling to an advertisement category? Or the paragraph before it? Because I'm having a really hard time figuring this one out. It all seems factual and straight forward.Strunke 18:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey I saw your response on your talk page. I just don't see the advertising in the timeline. The information I gathered from an article done on the "150th anniversary". the rest is straight info from the press releases. I'm not trying to advertise for national city, I just want a good reference out there.Strunke 18:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's the same as the above thread - there's a lot of weaselly market-speak. Random line:
1984: Preparing itself for the approaching challenges of interstate banking, National City Corporation acquires BanOhio Corporation of Columbus to create the state's largest bank holding company. Formerly Ohio's second- and third-largest banks, together their assets total $12.5 billion, with a new banking network encompassing 350 branches in 52 of the state's 88 counties.
The italicized text at the start is not the tone of an impartial encyclopedic article; it is either speculation or fanboy ranting. The second blurb is a trivial point that can probably be dropped. Also, like I asked on my talk page, where is the article you got this all from? It needs to be noted. (Side note - I changed it to a {{weasel}} tag which is more what my complaint is about than an actual advert, sorry for that misunderstanding.) — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 20:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that above does sound bad, funny I missed it. I thought I read it over enough. I did remove a few that just talked about some changes or something they made in their system. I don't think the article has an online version that's the problem. I can put who wrote it though....Strunke 02:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline

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The timeline in this article seems to reek of plagirism -- at best, it is in need of reference.

It also seems that many of the entries in the timeline have more to do with the history of banking than National City Bank. I'd like to see what other Wikipedians think before doing considerable work to the page DonutLover 21:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Part of it, mostly after 1994-95 I wrote. The other comes from an article but it is not available on the net. It has also been watered down significantly, even referencing it won't really provide much. It is just a time line that gives a point of reference to the entire banking world and national city, not a detailed book just facts, it is more important to have that then just national city, other wise the average person has no frame of reference. I'm not sure how to site something that is not available online. Let me know if you find it as well. Strunke 04:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I only found this, though not very helpful in referencing the time line (it's also old).... http://www.answers.com/topic/national-city-corp Strunke 05:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:REF is a springboard for how to cite most anything on wikipedia. DonutLover 21:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the timeline is verbatim from a handout employees receive when they go through orientation at National City. It wouldn't be found online. The acquisitions of all the banks can be found in NCC's 10-k filings the year of the trabsaction —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegreg (talk • contribs) 15:34, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Correct it was from an online source and a handout I got from a family member. Strunke (talk) 01:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page

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Hey RevRagnarok I blanked the talk page because Alexa411 found the source and made it all unnecessary.... Strunke 03:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not unnecessary, it is a record of a discussion. See Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page if you really want this page blanked. But I don't think it should be. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 03:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Any of the options are fine with me. Just figured less clutter the better. Strunke 03:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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PNC Purchase

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Even though the sale has been agreed to. Shouldn't the article still read "is" and not "was" a cleveland bank. After all they haven't closed and wont until december. Assuming there was no foul play by pnc and co and occ and the fact that a "gun was placed to the head of NCB" by the government???Strunke (talk) 01:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The purchase of National City Corporation by PNC is complete and this point was and is moot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.189.59.95 (talk) 02:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Anyone have anything against changing the logo to this: NC/PNC logo? Jcembree (talk) 05:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not the same?

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I assume this is a different National City Bank than that referenced in the article on the Pecora Commission?--Bhuck (talk) 02:38, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be clearly different upon further research, but it might be better if that were clearer in the article, or with a header of some sort.--Bhuck (talk) 23:18, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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