Talk:Mustafa Dzhemilev
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[edit]I see no encyclopedic reason for the family stuff to be included. It's not relevant to the subject's notability.Volunteer Marek (talk) 12:08, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- I agree. Looks like a smear.--Galassi (talk) 12:26, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Murder of Fevzi Edemov is relevant. He was killed with Mustafa Dzhemilev's gun. Dzhemilev testified at his son's murder trial. Relevant. Covered in multiple independent reliable sources. --DonaldDuck (talk) 01:29, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
- Relevant to what? Or to put it in other words, why does it belong in an encyclopedia which is suppose to respect the subjects it writes about (per WP:BPL)? Volunteer Marek (talk) 01:48, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
- Relevant to Mustafa Dzhemilev. His gun, his testimony at his son's trial. --DonaldDuck (talk) 08:27, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
- Also, no references to blogs as you misleadingly claim. References to top Ukrainian newspapers: Zerkalo Nedeli and Segodnya. --DonaldDuck (talk) 08:53, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
- Uncacceptable on BLP, SOATRACK, and UNDUE WEIGHT grounds. Not to mention CONSENSUS.--Galassi (talk) 10:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
- No BLP problems, relevant, supported by RS. --DonaldDuck (talk) 05:18, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- Gossip tabloid press is not RS.--Galassi (talk) 05:44, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- Zerkalo Nedeli and CNN are not tabloid press. --DonaldDuck (talk) 03:25, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- For BLPs, reliable sources are a necessary but not a sufficient condition. [[WP:BLPGOSSIP].Volunteer Marek (talk) 10:02, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- I reverted Donald ducks latest addition of this material - I was trying to think of comparable instances and looked at the marlon brando article - his son killed a man and there is a small section on it in his article - brando was present at the trial and his daughter later committed suicide - this suicide seems very terrible , a suicide at 10 is almost unheard of I should have thought but seems too tangential to me to bring up in this article, -also there is imo a kind of innuendo-ish editorial presence hanging over the way the material is presented by Donald duck. I am pretty sure that neither story belongs in the article so that is why I reverted anyhow. Sayerslle (talk) 12:49, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
- For BLPs, reliable sources are a necessary but not a sufficient condition. [[WP:BLPGOSSIP].Volunteer Marek (talk) 10:02, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- Zerkalo Nedeli and CNN are not tabloid press. --DonaldDuck (talk) 03:25, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- Gossip tabloid press is not RS.--Galassi (talk) 05:44, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- No BLP problems, relevant, supported by RS. --DonaldDuck (talk) 05:18, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- Uncacceptable on BLP, SOATRACK, and UNDUE WEIGHT grounds. Not to mention CONSENSUS.--Galassi (talk) 10:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
(As a semi-retired Wikipedian) I do not have the intention to restart the above discussion. But son Khaiser Dzhemilev has been returned to mainland Ukraine after doing time in a Russian jail. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:23, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Name is Qırımoğlu
[edit]Dzhemilev is the name the Soviets gave to him, he did not choose this and prefers to not to use this name. He himself uses the name Mustafa Qırımoğlu. Dzhemilev is merely how Russians/Ukrainians call him. I had the honor to meet this man, and using the name Dzhemliv is a straight insult to him. I believe the article should be renamed to what the CTWP has as title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.158.187.197 (talk) 22:21, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- "Qırımoğlu" is a name he gave himself, but I don't think that he has asked people to stop calling him by his family name. And even interviewers who never say his name without adding the Turkic honorific "agha," and who also introduce him by his cool self-styled sobriquet, tend to call him "Dzhemilev." I have never seen him correct any of his admirers on this subject. None of this seems like disrespect. I think perhaps that you may have misunderstood something. 69.124.11.92 (talk) 16:18, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]Title says it all. 142.181.188.183 (talk) 18:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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