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Oppose. "Assassination of" as a title pattern isn't really accounted for by the DEATHS essay, which is not policy but which is mostly focused on Killing/Murder as a distinction to avoid BLP issues (which is policy). Given this was a politically focused killing this is the most appropriate title, which from a search sees about as common usage. It's more specific in a way that I think is beneficial. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Maybe "assassination" is better, maybe "murder" is better, but when the sources are mixed, just pick "murder." It is unquestionably a murder, and Wikipedia should only move away from that titling when it's a slam-dunk case. SnowFire (talk) 01:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Based on the pages Murder (Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse committed with the necessary intention ..) and Assassination (Assassination is the willful killing, by a sudden, secret, or planned attack, of a person—especially if prominent or important. It may be prompted by political, ideological, religious, personal, financial, or military motives.) I would say that assassination is a correct term here. The Bannertalk23:47, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support that while I agree with The Banner that it appears that this was a "assassination", in both the article and it's sources, it clearly says he was charged and found guilty of first-degree murder, and that it specifically did not meet Kansas' standards for capital murder (which is essentially what was above defined as assassination). Thus while it might quack, apparently they specifically called out that it was not chargeable and nor was he found guilty of an assassination. TiggerJay(talk)04:58, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whether it was or was not capital murder has little to do with it being an assassination. There are no specific convictions covering assassinations in this jurisdiction to my knowledge. PARAKANYAA (talk) 12:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Grunge.com, 2023: Tiller was neither the first nor the last only abortion provider in American history to be assassinated
Planned Parenthood, 2019: Roeder shot Dr. Tiller [...] why he thought he was justified in committing murder (the 1993 shooting is described as "an assassination attempt")
NYT, 2009: shot Dr. Tiller [...] awaits trial in the murder [...] in the weeks since the killing [...] [Tiller] had accepted the possibility he might be assassinated (and "an abortion provider in Florida was assassinated in 1994")
LA Times, 2009: shot Tiller to death [...] gunned down [...] risky to try to link the assassin’s actions to broader political trends
Lawrence Journal-World, 2009shot and killed (and "[Tiller] was protected again between 1994 and 1998 after another abortion provider was assassinated and federal authorities reported finding Tiller's name on an assassination list")
All sources, regardless of publication date, stated he was murdered. TCJ 2022 and Grunge.com 2023 say outright Tiller was assassinated; NYT 2009, LAT 2009, and maybe LJW 2009 use related language to describe the event itself. The above lists eleven sources, three of which are not news sources (or have no editorial policy that I could find). Rotideypoc41352 (talk·contribs) 05:42, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
