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Reviewer: Wikipedian Penguin (talk · contribs) 18:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Came across User talk:Novice7#I wish somebody would review Most Wanted already and said to myself "Why the hell not?" Expect comments soon! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks buddy! Perfect timing as well! I've just began a three-day weekend, with no homework. :) This should take no time at all! — Status {talkcontribs 20:36, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. Great work you two on the article! Starting... —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 23:16, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much WP! Novice7 (talk) 03:55, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'll start when I come back from school. :) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:08, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Starting off... Please, don't use the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates or any other pretty tickmark templates on this page. I also don't want any excessive bold for replies... They are distracting and hard to read through. Plain text is preferable. :)

  • No DAB links found. OK.
  • FN 24: [1] is dead and redirects to homepage. Replace link with new source, find an archive, or remove the information altogether.
  • Though I am not too picky about it, some URLs need to be adjusted so that they do not redirect to a different URL: (FN 30) [2], (FN 23) [3], (FN 68) [4] and (FN 72) [5].
  • File:Hilary_Duff_-_Wake_Up.ogg does not have a good enough FUR for use on Wikipedia. Simply "This clip serves as audio illustration for the subject, which is the entire song." will not do. This applies with the two other sound samples used as well. Be more detailed with your Purpose of use. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I will begin working on when I get back in an hour or so. Going out for Chinese. :D (Woot, woot) But I'm sure Novice will be online by then. — Status {talkcontribs 21:58, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the redirects you mentioned, do not redirect to me. Searching for a new link for ref 24. Can't get an archive for it. On the sample issues now... — Status {talkcontribs 23:28, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have examined them, and they are fine. Do not worry. The Slant one should be fixable however. Can I ask why there are two FUR templates at the file pages? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 23:42, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't answer that, as Novice was the one who uploaded the samples. They had them there before, so I just kept it like that. Are they not needed then? Yeah, I fixed the Slant one. Looks like ref 24 will have to be removed. Looks like they redid their website, and the article got lost in the move. — Status {talkcontribs 23:46, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Everything seems to have been resolved. — Status {talkcontribs 23:48, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, so we have criteria 5 and 6a covered. It's good to move on.
  • Alright, in compliance with WP:LEAD, the lead must be shortened down to two–three paragraphs. Why? The article has 17 KB of readable prose, which translates to 17,000 characters of prose. In order for an article to have a max (4) paragraphs, the article should have 30,000+ characters of readable prose. I have suggestions:
    • Try trimming down the background info about the new tracks in the lead and try to stay focused on the album as a whole.
    • Reduce information about the album's singles. I see you discuss peak positions and music video, which is too much.
    • You discuss about the tour in both the first paragraph and fourth. Work around that.
    • Remove any excessive and less relevant information you can from the lead. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 00:08, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone and removed most of the second paragraph. You're right, it was a bit too detailed. What do you think about it now? — Status {talkcontribs 00:38, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect. I will continue tomorrow. :) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 00:54, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, thank you. :) — Status {talkcontribs 00:58, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Let's tackle the prose:

  • "Released on August 10, 2005 through Hollywood Records" — There must be a comma after 2005.
  • "since they carry a 'totally different sound'" — Source to quote?
  • "Upon its release" → "Following its release"
  • "and reached the top-ten in Australia" — No hyphen.
  • "Two official singles were released from the album" (All singles are official)
  • "and peaked within the top-ten in countries including Italy"
  • "a release date of August 16, 2005" — Sounds strange. — Not done
  • "The track listing for Most Wanted was released" — You mean "revealed" or "announced"?
  • "and that the new songs — 'Wake Up', 'Beat of My Heart' and 'Break My Heart' — "sound a bit like leftovers"" — There should be no spaces around em dashes.
  • The critical reception has enormous quotes, like ones from IGN, BBC and Slant. I suggest trimming them down or paraphrasing.
  • "'Lamest Greatest Hits Albums Ever'" — Why single quotes?
  • First three sentences use "number one" repetitively.
  • "and only top ten entry in New Zealand" — You need a hyphen here however, because here, top-ten is an adjective.
  • Numbers higher than 9 are written numerically. (i.e. "thirty-one", "number ten", "sixty-nine", "fifty", etc.)
  • Certifications are written in lowercase in the prose. (not tables)
  • What is the point of saying "music critics" in a music article, when you can simply say "critics"? Maybe on first occurrence you can put the "music" in, but it is nott needed multiple times.
  • Can the singles section be trimmed down and copy edited, because they have their respective articles? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:14, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've made some changes to the article. I have marked the one(s) I've not changed. I think I'll leave that and trimming to Zach :) Novice7 (talk) 12:48, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. :) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:54, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think I've gotten everything Mags hasn't done. — Status {talkcontribs 15:17, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Criteria 1a, 1b, 2a, 2c, 3a, 3b and 4 have been taken care of. (Just that one awkward phrase about the release date has to be fixed) Before moving on to references, I would like the commercial performance image to have a more relevant caption so that we can tick off criteron 6b.

A look at references:

  • FN 17: Consensus was that we do not provide URLs for Musicnotes refs. Here is how you should dress the ref:
    • Feldmann, John; Madden, Benji; Madden, Joel; Duff, Hilary (2005). "Digital Sheet Music – Hilary Duff – Wake Up". Musicnotes.com. EMI Music Publishing. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |work= (help); Missing or empty |url= (help)
  • Make sure all newspapers use {{cite news}}.
  • Be consistent on whether About.com refs have publishers given or not.
  • FN 33: "LLC" not necessary.
  • For Amazon references, simply giving the publisher as the site name (Amazon.com, Amazon.de, etc.) is good enough. No work is needed and "Inc" is not necessary either.
  • FN 71–72: Reliability?
  • FN 76: ?? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:23, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 71 is her ex-drummer's official website. So, yes, it is indeed reliable. There are no available sources from Ms. Duff's website to confirm any tour dates she's ever performed. Believe me, I've been working on her tour articles in my sandbox. Ref 76, I'm not sure what that is... xD Lemme find a source. The rest of the issues seem to have been resolved, apart from {{cite news}}, in which I am not too familiar with. Could you give me an example of one that needs to be changed? — Status {talkcontribs 17:45, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I'll just go ahead and remove the photo. We don't really know anything about it. The original upload wasn't very descriptive, and the original source cannot be found. (So it probably should be deleted anyway) — Status {talkcontribs 17:48, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Boston Globe, The San Francisco Chronicle and Baltimore City Paper. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:06, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Philadelphia Inquirer is also a newspaper. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:13, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done — Status {talkcontribs 18:18, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to not have addressed all the Amazon ref problems. I don't want "Amazon Inc" at all. ;-) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:32, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, okay. Amazon.com Inc no longer exists in this article. ;) — Status {talkcontribs 18:38, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, you two. I have passed the article. Excellent job! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:00, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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