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IP, Can you stop edit warring and discuss the matter please. You have been reverted by two people for good reason. A motorman is the job title held by driver. It needs to be explained in the text because the term is repeated in the article a few other times in quotes, and without the initial use and explanation, this would make no sense to readers when they got to it. Understand now? - SchroCat (talk) 03:56, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The official report of the Inquiry into the accident uses both terms "driver" and "motorman", but not interchangeably. To begin with (down to paragraph 19) the term "driver" is used exclusively, but in paragraph 21 on page 5 it explicitly states The driver of Train 272, who lost his life in the accident was Motorman L. B. Newson, aged 56 years. ... In January 1974 he had been passed out as a guard/motorman and between that date and January 1975, when he was transferred to Drayton Park, he had 6 days driving experience ... On transfer to Drayton Park, Motorman Newson received road training ... Between 23rd January and 28th February 1975 Motorman Newson's duties involved ... On Sunday 23rd February Motorman Newson was off duty Paragraphs 22 to 31 (inclusive) use only the term "motorman", but after that the report uses both terms; for example, paragraph 32 states: Motoman J. P. Bray had only known Motorman Newson since the latter came to Drayton Park in January 1975. He had observed that Newson was a cautious driver and that his approach to stations was normally slower than most other drivers.
As shown in paragraph 32, there is a tendency to use "driver" when dealing with the role in general and to use "motorman" when dealing with the job title of a particular member of staff, although the report is not completely consistent in this regard. --Redrose64 🦌 (talk) 10:54, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IP, you need to stop edit warring, or you’re just going to get blocked again. There are quotes that use the term ‘Motorman’ that are confusing if the term has not been introduced and explained in the article. I’m not sure why you've decided to keep pushing such a tiny matter of introducing the term so it’s clear when it pops up in quotes, but edit warring is not going to end well for you. - SchroCat (talk) 00:23, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am the editor who first reverted the deletion of the term "motorman". As I explained in my edit summary, and has been further explained above, "motorman" is the accepted term for a train driver on the London Underground, and is frequently used in the literature of the system. I accept that it might not be in common use by the general public, but that is precisely the reason for the term "driver" to be added in parentheses after the first use in the article. So thanks to User:SchroCat for raising the issue here, and to User:Redrose64 for semi-protecting the article. Mike Marchmont (talk) 11:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
