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still alive

He lives and is interviewed in the German TV documentary "Death and Games - Munich '72" (2022), released in 2022: "I don't regret it, I will never regret it. Never!" https://looks.film/de/tod-und-spiele-muenchen-72/ https://www.prisma.de/news/tv/Tod-und-Spiele-Muenchen-72-Ueberlebender-Terrorist-schockiert-mit-Aussage-in-ARD-Doku,41132355 5.146.72.43 (talk) 21:27, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Use of the word terrorist.

For an encyclopedia, the use of the word terrorist is controversial to describe an individual. Other pages such individuals are referred to as militants. For some reason, I believe because of certain editors, the members of the Black September Organization who conducted the Munich Massacre are called terrorists. This should be changed to militant. UApirate33 (talk) 14:41, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@UApirate33, could you demonstrate according to what criteria or guidelines (as opposed to simple precedent) the use of the word "terrorist" is controversial, or unencyclopedic? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 16:11, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Most editorial guidelines in media and academia refrain from using terrorist since it is a loaded and controversial term that is often subjective. Can you explain to me how the use of the word terrorist is uncontroversial or encyclopedic? :):):):):):):) UApirate33 (talk) 00:47, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@UApirate33, I was hoping you would present a Wikipedia guideline to reinforce your strong stance, which so far has seen you engage in edit warring without providing an explanation, which is simply rude. As it turns out, you are relying on supposed editorial, media, and academic guidelines, none of which you have demonstrated. If you wish to change the content of an article, in this case, to classify a common term as controversial, then I contend that the onus is on you to support your position, not the other way around. I have challenged your take on the topic, and you have taken a firm, uncompromising stance, without waiting for a resolution of our conflict before asserting your preferred version of the article content. I encourage you to undo your revert, at least until we are able to reach some kind of agreement, or at least a compromise on the issue. Alternatively, please provide more convincing support for your position than just your own opinion or preference. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 01:35, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Precedent is fine to use as are academic guidelines. Why are you so hell bent on using the word terrorist? It can be perceived that an agenda is being pushed. UApirate33 (talk) 12:54, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@UApirate33, there you go, making insinuations, as could be expected. You realize I can just turn that around and make the equally snide insinuation that you've got an agenda to whitewash terrorism, right?

Where are these academic guidelines that you speak of? You still haven't demonstrated the strength of your case. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:14, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok mom haha. UApirate33 (talk) 14:37, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't realize you were the arbiter of who is a terrorist UApirate33 (talk) 14:39, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@UApirate33, I'm not the arbiter of who is and isn't a terrorist, but it sounds like you need a refresher on the word's definition. Here you go: terrorism. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:03, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So I guess by that definition, many US, Russian, Israeli, North Korean, British politicians can be called terrorists by wikipedia. Gotcha. UApirate33 (talk) 16:50, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Third opinion

Since "terrorist" is a WP:CONTENTIOUS label, and the sources use both "militant" and "terrorist" for this group, my suggestion is to follow similar Wiki articles and use "militant". 24.113.174.191 (talk) 14:43, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

3O Response: Huh, only 1 day ago, that's nice. Firstly, UApirate33 needs to observe WP:CIVILITY and as such I have given them a warning. Secondly, as the attack is widely known as a terrorist attack, the subject participated on the kidnappers' side, and sources that call him a terrorist exist, I believe that calling him a terrorist is appropriate. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:03, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I got reverted validly by someone else, so I propose to follow the words to watch and use in-text attribution. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:45, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this is a contentious topic, so please observe 1 revert per day from now on. However, as UApirate33 does not have 500 edits, everyone should be free to revert him as much as they want. I will revert to the status quo for now. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Aaron Liu: please take a look at MOS:TERRORIST. VR _talk 05:47, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that’s why I said #c-Aaron_Liu-20231104124500-Aaron_Liu-20231104020300 Aaron Liu (talk) 13:51, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]