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Michigan Limestone and Chemical Company was one of the Geography and places good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
April 16, 2022	Good article nominee	Listed
January 3, 2023	Good article reassessment	Kept
February 26, 2023	Good article reassessment	Delisted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on May 13, 2008. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Michigan Limestone and Chemical Company* is the world's largest limestone quarry?*
Current status: Delisted good article

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GA Reassessment

Michigan Limestone and Chemical Company

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Result: Page has been improved and information on missing period added. Kept as GA. Gusfriend (talk) 08:25, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that it is the "world's largest limestone quarry" is sourced to a 1917 report by Allen, Rolland Craten called Mineral Resources of Michigan with Statistical Tables and should be supported by a more recent reference. The few searches I did claimed it without supporting information so I think that it really needs something from a department of minerals, scholarly publication, etc.

Fixed 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is no mention in the article of the size of the actual quarry apart from the original parcel of land.

Fixed 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The most recent information about how much is produced is 1920 when it produced 1,000 tons a day.

Fixed 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing about the history of the mine or company since 1951. The page says that ownership has changed several times in recent years but the information is sourced to the state marker which doesn't say anything about it.

Fixed 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1. Who owns the company now?

Fixed 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1. What changes have happened in the last 70 years?

Fixed 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1. Has the method of transport of the mined material changed?

Fixed 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The uses section reads could easily be reduced to a couple of sentences with a hatnote.

I disagree. Not really. I expanded it. WP:Not paper 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:38, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It might make sense to have a section about the quarry itself separate to the company.

Fixed 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The section on the ships may be worth splitting off to a stand alone page (50-50 on this one).

I disagree. The ships have always been part of the whole operation, and integrated into it. WP:Not paper 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:38, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are probably more concerns with it.

Can't address mere probbility without more specifics. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:38, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~Note: This is another Coldwell article.~~Gusfriend (talk) 08:31, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It was and still is a good artiole. Tearing up the tracks in your personal vendetta ["This is another Coldwell article" — Argumentum ad hominem fallacy] is no way to build a railroad. There is nothing wrong with this article. It is at the very least history that belongs in Wikipedia.

I've added ~~three~~ many more new and current sources documenting current owner and operations.

The rest of your concerns have been addressed. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:50, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the article was and is a good article and it is history that belongs in Wikipedia. It is, additionally, an interesting article to read. My only concern is whether it reaches the level of being classified as a Good Article. In particular, at the time of my review, I was concerned about the lack of recent information in the article.

I had left the note about authorship so that other possible reviewers would be aware of possible systemic issues but as that is not how it has been read I have struck it out. Gusfriend (talk) 11:30, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gusfriend As a final word, this is not the article you found when you proposed delisting it from WP:GA. Your proposal had the beneficial consequence of getting it improved. We made it better. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:49, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for all your work on improving the article and it is indeed a lot better. Given the current state, which as you said is not the same as when I proposed it for delisting, I would have no concerns with the article remaining a GA. Gusfriend (talk) 21:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Attribution

Text and Reference copied from Michigan Limestone and Chemical Company to SS Carl D. Bradley. See history of former article for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:11, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Text and Reference copied from Michigan Limestone and Chemical Company to Michigan Sugar. See history of former article for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:19, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Text and Reference copied from Exercise Northern Strike to Michigan Limestone and Chemical Company. See history of former article for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:28, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright contributor investigation and Good article reassessment

This article is part of Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20210315 and the Good article (GA) drive to reassess and potentially delist over 200 GAs that might contain copyright and other problems. An AN discussion closed with consensus to delist this group of articles en masse, unless a reviewer opens an independent review and can vouch for/verify content of all sources. Please review Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/February 2023 for further information about the GA status of this article, the timeline and process for delisting, and suggestions for improvements. Questions or comments can be made at the project talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Current status

I don't know whether the quarry is a going concern or not, but the railroad branch to Rogers City was abandoned about twenty years ago. Mackensen (talk) 01:54, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Product is on the rails all the time. I live within a half mile of the [[Lake Straits Railway], and see it daily. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:01, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't doubt you, but the railroad doesn't go further north than Alpena. Mackensen (talk) 02:12, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Goes north to Cheboygan, Michigan, which is through Rogers City. American Rails. The limestone they are transporting comes from somewhere. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:48, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Without any citation, the wikipedia article for Lake State Railway says trackage from Alpena to Rogers City was abandoned in 2001. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:14, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working on improving the citations, but the claim is accurate. See [1] for example from the Surface Transportation Board. You can also consult Google Maps, or look out the window, to see that there are no active railway tracks north of Alpena and haven't been for some time. Mackensen (talk) 12:16, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am south of Alpena. Cross the tracks regularly, since they cross our private road. And they are in use. They do carry limestone,calcite and alabaster, although I cannot attest to the source. The trains shake my house. And they leave rocks in the roadbed.

BUT my telescope won't see that far. Thanks for the citation, which should be added to the article. Cheers 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:30, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Carmeuse calcite operations in Rogers City can be reached at (989) 734-2131. They are closed today. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:42, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]