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Battle of the Alamo image

Regarding the image of Robert Jenkins Vanderdonk's Fall of the Alamo (under History -> Independence era (1808 - 1855), I see several issues with the caption. Firstly, the name of the battle in English is Battle of the Alamo, not Battle of El Álamo. Secondly, the description of the battle as being "between the Mexican army led by President Antonio López de Santa Anna and American slavers" is misleading at best. The fact that many of the leaders of the Texian force at the Alamo were slave owners is irrelevant to the battle itself, and the caption leads readers to believe (falsely) that slavery was the root cause of the battle. The Texas Revolution, which was one of many revolts against the Centralist Republic of Mexico, was a reaction against Santa Anna's dissolution of the Constitution of 1824 in 1835. While slavery had been outlawed by Mexico in 1829, the ban was largely ignored, and Mexico never made any attempts to confiscate slaves from the Texians.

The wording in the caption should be modified such that readers aren't misled as to the purpose of the Texas Revolution - a simple change to something like "Battle of The Alamo (1836), between the Mexican army led by President Antonio López de Santa Anna and Texian rebels" should suffice. 2601:C0:CA80:A5E0:4CF1:7EA1:62F9:A6DE (talk) 17:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

That stood out to me too. As written it suggests that the Texians were attempting to enslave the Mexicans. Ought to be changed to "Texian rebels," and those wishing to learn more about the origins of the Texas revolution can be linked to the appropriate article. Jbt89 (talk) 05:28, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Both the title of the battle and the "American enslavers" bit in the Onderdonk caption are inaccurate. This is an American English article. "El Alamo" is not consistent with the language convention. The title of the painting for which this is a caption is "Fall of the Alamo," an accurate title if not an accurate representation of the event. Santa Anna's siege of the Alamo laid siege to Tejanos, Irish and Englishmen, as well as American men from the northern and southern United States, inside the walls. A few are known to have owned slaves. The vast majority, no.

Additionally, the image should be credited as "Fall of the Alamo" by Robert Jenkins Onderdonk, 1903. The Teocali work should be attributed to Leutze (1848), Three Guaranties credited to Bastin, Thomas & Richauld (1842).

Re: Vicente Guerrero - It should be noted that while he did use emergency power to issue a decreto abolishing slavery, the Isthmus of Tehuantepec was exempted (Mexico was seeking to import slaveowners to cultivate the region) and that Tejano leaders in Texas sought exemption and received it. It was not enforced and was thrown out when Guerrero left. Mexico did not unconditionally abolish slavery until 1837. Cbptx (talk) 01:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 July 2024

Mexico is not in north America 2600:100C:B2F6:FF60:0:24:5C51:1A01 (talk) 04:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: See North_America#Definitions. By most official and accepted definitions, Mexico is indeed in North America. General Ization ^Talk 04:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 May 2024

There's not a single reference to the name "Mēxihcatl Tlacetilīlli Tlahtohcāyōtl", since it has never been the official name in Nahuatl of the United Mexican States. Its official name in Nahuatl according to INALI is "Mexika Sentik Wexteyowalko", as you can read here (vocabulary used for the official Nahuatl version of the Mexican constitution). I suggest you add the Maya official name as well, since it is known as "U Múuchꞌ Péetluꞌumiloꞌob México" according to the official Maya version of the constitution which you can read here. Languae (talk) 15:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please also include the exact location you wish the changes to be made, so there is no room for error. Thank you! ASUKITE 15:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 August 2024

dont know what the fix is but there's something confusing at: "When it the 2026 FIFA World Cup" 2603:8000:D300:3650:35EE:D3B8:AB51:D0F3 (talk) 00:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 11:44, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Length

@Chronus: 15k is not a magical cutoff between terrible and perfect - 14.9k is still in need of work. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:21, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria It's not you who determines that. It's the rules. Chronus (talk) 04:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@Chronus: There is not a rule that the tag must be removed the instant the article falls a single word below 15k. As per Wikipedia:Summary_style#Article_size: "generally 50 kilobytes of readable prose (8,000 words) is the starting point at which articles may be considered too long. Articles that go above this have a burden of proof that extra text is needed to efficiently cover their topics and that the extra reading time is justified". See also WP:COUNTRYSIZE. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:26, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria It's funny how this kind of absurd editing doesn't bother you at all, but at the same time, you're super strict about the length of articles, even though the project rules say that this article length is not an aberration to earn an undue tag. Chronus (talk) 04:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)