Talk:Matooskie

Matooskie has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
December 14, 2023	Good article nominee	Listed
December 27, 2023	Good article reassessment	Kept

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on January 26, 2024.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the 1830 abandonment of Chipewyan woman Matooskie (pictured) by her Scottish husband was eventually settled with a dowry payment of £200?

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Matooskie/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: RoySmith (talk · contribs) 18:40, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

First off, this looks like your first GA submission, so thank you for writing it and submitting it for review! Overall, I can't see anything that doesn't comply with WP:GACR, so these are all just suggestions for how to improve the article above and beyond that. RoySmith (talk) 19:24, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Consider adding {{infobox person}}
Take a look at https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/40071933?searchText=Matooskie (if you don't have access, you can get it via WP:TWL. There's some additional information about the subject that you may find useful.
The Dictionary of Canadian Biography says "they had as many as seven children". Do you know why they equivocate with "as many"? Was there some uncertainty to how many children there were?
Matooskie later married Pierre Le Blanc was this another à la façon du pays, or a Catholic wedding?

@RoySmith: Thank you for taking on this review, I greatly appreciate this.

I have now added the infobox; please let me know if I have done this correctly
That was a very interesting read, thank you for linking this to me (I did create this page before I had Wikipedia Library access, so I probably should scour more material there). Wasn't best sure how to integrate this into the article so I've included it in the Legacy section - let me know if this reads well, or if my summary is correct.
I'm not sure why there is the equivocation there tbh, as no other source seems to doubt this. I can add in the quotes from them if it helps, but I can't seem to find any sources that say there were any more than secen children.
This was an wedding in a Catholic church from what I can see, I should have made that clearer. Thanks for pointing this out.

Let me know if there is anything else I can do to improve the article!

GnocchiFan (talk) 13:59, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, and the Legacy section is a nice addition. This is good to go, thanks again for submitting it. RoySmith (talk) 14:42, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron talk 03:27, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Matooskie, a Chipewyan First Nations woman and "country wife" of John George McTavish.

... that the 1830 abandonment of Chipewyan Indigenous woman Matooskie (pictured) by John McTavish, her Scottish husband, was eventually settled with a dowry payment of £200? Source: http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/mckenzie_nancy_8E.html
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- Comment: I think this is a good enough hook - if anyone has a better one or has issues with this, please let me know. QPQ not needed as this is my second nom.

Created by GnocchiFan (talk). Self-nominated at 15:36, 14 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Matooskie; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: The link to John George McTavish strikes me as an easter egg link, so consider a slight adjustment. Other than that, I'd be happy to approve this. Grnrchst (talk) 14:08, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Grnrchst: That's fair enough, I'm very happy to go ahead with adjustments to the hook as suggested. – GnocchiFan (talk) 17:14, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Grnrchst: I've made the edits now, as well as minor rewording which I think makes it clearer. Thoughts? – GnocchiFan (talk) 00:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Approved Looks great, thanks! --Grnrchst (talk) 08:09, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

Matooskie

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Result: No consensus to delist. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:13, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This rather interesting historical figure recently passed GAN, and for the very engaging story the article tells, I'm unsure if it hits the GA criteria. I took a quick glance at the sources and added what additional information I could find from them, but with the current information I'm unsure if it meets suitable breadth or not, and wanted more feedback on this. The prose is also slightly confusing at times, especially in the legacy section. Generalissima (talk) 09:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Generalissima I did the GA review. I tried to hew strictly to the WP:GACR, which only require that it "addresses the main aspects of the topic", which I think this does. WP:FACR requires that the article be comprehensive, i.e. "neglects no major facts or details", but that's a higher standard. Anyway, I'm always happy to have somebody take another look, so I'm cool with the reassessment request. RoySmith (talk) 14:10, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the feedback; I appreciate greater scrutiny of my work here. I've tried to tidy up the prose in the Legacy section, which I admit was a bit sloppy/confusing at times. – GnocchiFan (talk) 17:08, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've also (re-)nominated this for copyediting at WP:GOCE if this helps. GnocchiFan (talk) 11:48, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Generalissima, I am inclined to agree with RoySmith; the GA criteria only requires that the main aspects of the topic are addressed, even while more can be said. A visit to GOCE will clear up any lingering issues in the prose. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:24, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Contradiction within article

It was mentioned that her second husband Pierre Le Blanc died in a boat accident along with some of her children, but did 2 or 3 children die in that incident? And were those children from her first marriage or the second? 35.131.37.50 (talk) 19:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about her mother?

The article says her father "left for Lower Canada in 1801 without Matooskie, placing her and her sister under the care of another NWC fur trader". What about her mother? Did she go with her father? Stay with the daughters? Leave earlier? Minturn (talk) 20:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]