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The tag added to this article in January 2024 is misplaced and should be removed. Yes, it needs improvement and perhaps further research, but there's currently enough sources to warrant its start-class status. Currently, it heavily uses the Bush source, but it also uses 11 additional ones. I also don't understand the claim that the sources are too close to its subject; Bush's publisher, ICS Publications, focuses on the Discalced Carmelite saints, but that doesn't mean it's unreliable. Please either work on improvement this article or remove the tag. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:57, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
80% of the references in the articles are a single source. The question is not if ICS Publications is unreliable, it's if it is closely related to the subject of the article which it is. Klaun (talk) 02:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A specialized work like Bush shouldn't be used for the context and background. There is a voluminous literature on the French Revolution, its persecution of religion generally, the Terror in particular, and Robespierre to draw on. Such works could tell us what the Civil Constitution of the Clergy did, which is now covered by the less than enlightening phase (actually a quote even though there are no quotation marks) "outlawed religious life". Hagiographic pieces like an article from the Catholic News Agency or the Louisiana Carmelites don't help. They read like so many summaries of other summaries, not solidly researched sources. Rutsq (talk) 22:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sisters were canonized today, so I updated this article with great joy and lots of tears. For me, this article demonstrates how close we can get to our subjects. Spiritually, I've been hoping and praying for this day ever since I met them researching and improving this article back in 2020, during the COVID lockdown. It was one of the first articles I worked on under the auspices of the Women in Religion project. Thank you, sisters, for such a wonderful Christmas gift. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 23:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
