Talk:Mario/Archive 8

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Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2019

upgrading the photos Kachiga (talk) 04:45, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Kachiga, any particular images you have in mind? – Thjarkur (talk) 12:19, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2020

Under the "Appearances" section, this statement is made: "Jumpman was later renamed "Mario" in the 1982 arcade game Donkey Kong Junior, the only game in which he has been portrayed as an antagonist."

However, upon research, I have found that Mario was portrayed as an antagonist in the games Donkey Kong Jr., Donkey Kong II, and Donkey Kong Circus.

Here is my reference: https://www.mariowiki.com/Donkey_Kong_II

On this webpage, this statement is found: "This game, Donkey Kong Circus, and Donkey Kong Jr. are the only times where Mario has ever been portrayed as an antagonist."

Thank you for your time! =)

-Sunitrema Sunitrema (talk) 21:33, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

​Since Mariowiki.com is user-generated it's not a reliable source. We should be able to find mentions of this in reliable sources though. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:35, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

 Note: Closing this as  Not done per the above. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 05:16, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Mario's last name

Mario's last name canonically is "Mario", his full name is "Mario Mario"! Booger-mike (talk) 13:53, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you keep saying that, but you’re not showing any proof. I’ve heard that was the case in the 1990s movie or whatever, but is that really a commonly used full name? I don’t recall seeing it anywhere else, and that movie had a lot of...differences...between it and the rest of the franchise. Sergecross73 msg me 15:14, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Miyamoto confirmed that! Booger-mike (talk) 18:02, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Source? Sergecross73 msg me 18:32, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

The source are already featured on the article, I just think that this is a minor detail that doesn't warrant a place in a general information website like Wikipedia. Miyamoto has confirmed quite a few things that have proven to be controversial among Mario fans for these past few years. Let's just say that, as of late, Mario canon has become as complicated as Star Wars canon or Halo canon. Leader Vladimir (talk) 00:34, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

https://nintendoeverything.com/miyamoto-says-marios-full-name-is-mario-mario/ Booger-mike (talk) 14:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Somebody undid my edit when I provided that source though. Wynn Liaw (talk) 13:56, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Look at the summary. Wynn Liaw (talk) 13:59, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Why is it so offensive to say his full name is "Mario Mario"? If anything, that validates him and Luigi being called the "Mario Brothers"! Booger-mike (talk) 22:19, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Mario's surname

I don't think Nintendo Everything is a usable source on Wikipedia because someone undid my edit. Wynn Liaw (talk) 13:53, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Correct, it is not a usable source. See WP:VG/S for a list of usable and unusable sources. And as you probably saw in the first section about this, there’s concern on whether or not this even needs to be listed at all, as the name is extremely rarely used. Sergecross73 msg me 15:54, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

"8×8 pixel head"

"Concept and creation" paragraph 4. I suggest changing "an 8×8 pixel head" to "a 16×16 pixel character". The measure of 8×8 is inaccurate, as Mario's head in Donkey Kong is actually 12×7 in most frames, and varies from frame to frame. His entire character does, however, fit within a 16×16 bounding box. --Plastiware (talk) 09:46, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Is any of this sourced? Sergecross73 msg me 12:15, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

No, but it's easy to confirm yourself with any Donkey Kong sprite sheet or even decent-quality screenshot. --Plastiware (talk) 14:07, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

That’s called original research on Wikipedia. Can’t do that. I’m not certain it really matters either way. Im not sure why the reader would need a breakdown on this regardless of its size. Sergecross73 msg me 15:26, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

But "8×8 pixel head" isn't in any of the cited sources, either, and is simply not true. "16×16 pixel character" is more correct, and still gets across the relevant point (the available pixels for his face is small). --Plastiware (talk) 04:57, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

If neither are sourced, then either should be in the article. I’ve reworded it. The particular size isn’t necessary to note at all, the idea being expressed doesn’t require it to be stated at all. Sergecross73 msg me 00:14, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

That works. --Plastiware (talk) 11:50, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Broken Links

The links (numbered 87 and 88 as of July, 2nd 2020) for the 1990 poll stating Mario was more recognizable than Mickey Mouse are either broken, unreachable in Europe or you have to pay for the article linked. Any chance to find some other links?

sseb22 (talk) 11:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2020

There isn't anything about his appearance in mario maker PiechTree (talk) 07:20, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 17:29, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2020

You must unblock the edits anyone wants. 75.83.68.155 (talk) 19:16, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:49, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2020

Charles Martinet has accidentally been moved out position of the English voice actors section in the infobox section awhile back, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mario&diff=next&oldid=964527030. Is there by any chance someone could move him back into that section again of the English voice actors section in the infobox? Because it looks kinda funny a awkward of his name moved out of that position. 2600:1000:B04B:B129:B140:8E6E:D6B2:EB1F (talk) 03:43, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

• Not done without discussion, the edit was deliberate. The edit summary reads Promoted Charles Martinet voiced by, as he's the most notable voice. @Arkhandar: perhaps you can comment, it was your edit from June 26th that this editor wants changed back. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:16, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
  • @Davidwr and 2600:1000:B04B:B129:B140:8E6E:D6B2:EB1F: Thanks for catching that! My view on it is exactly as described by the edit summary. Charles Martinet is the most notable Mario voice actor, so it doesn't deserve to be "hidden" away in a collapsed list of other less notable Mario voice actors. Furthermore, Mario's voice work from Martinet is not localized, so it's not exclusive to English-speaking territories. ~ Arkhandar ^{(message me)} 16:11, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

"Jumperman" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Jumperman. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 20#Jumperman until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TheAwesomeHwyh 17:56, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2021

Mario's family also includes Maria (aunt), Luigeena (aunt), Mia Mario (grandmother), Mia Mario (mother), Luigeena (cousin), Marianne (cousin), Marilyn (niece), Mario Joe (cousin), Luigi Bob (cousin), and Tony (uncle). was born in Brooklyn, New York, not the Mushroom Kingdom!2600:1700:1595:8210:9C90:E205:FB6D:5301 (talk) 03:03, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done - You need to provide reliable sources that verify content additions. Sergecross73 msg me 03:38, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2021

Mario is a character from the game Super Mario bros. he first appeared in the 1982 game "Donkey Kong" as a plumber saving a princess from the dreaded Kong. 96.230.208.44 (talk) 18:09, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:41, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2021

Article lists Luigi as Mario's "fraternal twin" citing footnote 48 - "'Luigi Biography'. IGN. Archived from the original on August 17, 2009. Retrieved January 26, 2010." Looking online, there appear to be several other Wiki's that state this fact with no support at all. I do not speak Japanese so I am unable to check the statements of Nintendo in Japanese, but I do not find evidence that they are fraternal twins in English. Of note, the Luigi article does not list that they are fraternal twins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.231.26.235 (talk) 00:34, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: It can be assumed that since Mario and Luigi are not completely identical, they must be by definition fraternal twins. Icedmorning (talk) 21:56, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Mario in the upcoming movie

Chris Pratt voiced Mario, it still remained as funny and weird at the same time. Some of the fans are going crazy about this news.

Nationality

• Mario is actually Italian-American, from Brooklyn, NY. Not Italian from Italy. His nationality is technically American, but let's say Italian-American. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.216.195.21 (talk) 22:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Pretty certain that detail only applies to that oddball movie in the 90s, which played pretty fast and loose with the franchises details. I don't think Brooklyn is mentioned anywhere else. Sergecross73 msg me 19:58, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

"Red Luigi" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

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Learning More About Mario

I really enjoyed this page, definitely learned a lot from this, thanksKatelynnels (talk) 02:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2022

Mario is not Italian, he is Japanese Person21122211 (talk) 22:51, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done - He's created by a Japanese company, but his fictional details say he's Italian. Sergecross73 msg me 23:18, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Is he trolling? Leader Vladimir (talk) 00:20, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2022

Somewhere on the page of Mario and his twin brother, Luigi, should state they are 24-25 years old in the present day, source of this fact is from the game "Super Smash Bros. Melee" in which the "Mario" trophy in the Japanese version of the game, It states "He is around 26 years old"

but this doesent seem to be his real age, in an interview with Miyamoto in 2005 he states that Mario is 24-25 years of age, which is the most recent hearing of how old he is. 47.134.28.56 (talk) 17:39, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done - There's no importance to age with such a fantasy character. Sergecross73 msg me 17:52, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Mario = superhero?

Ok, this question has probably been asked a few times now, but can Mario be considered a superhero? I mean, he has a love interest, a supporting cast, a city of adventures/base of operations, defined superpowers, a rogues' gallery, etc. Optimus Prime, Sailor Moon and Neo are considered superhero, so why not Mario? What do you say? Leader Vladimir (talk) 18:28, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Unless there are reliable sources that refer to Mario as a superhero, then this falls under original research. ThomasO1989 (talk) 19:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

The writers bible for The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 describes Mario as a superhero: "Don't let Mario's looks fool you. He may be the shortest, chubbiest, most comedic-looking superhero ever to have his own show, but he always finds an ingenious way to overcome the most overwhelming obstacles in his path, and somehow, save the day. Even if it takes turning into a flying raccoon with superpowers, the irrepressible Mario will cleverly and bravely do his best to outwit the villainous Koopa Clan. He continues the quest when wiser heads would quit. Like a true plumber, he will show up at any hour of the day or night, to solve a crisis that ordinary men refuse to even touch. No matter how many times he's tricked, trapped or defeated, Mario bounces back. His greatest strength is his unconquerable spirit and his willingness to fling himself selflessly into any situation if justice is at stake." Leader Vladimir (talk) 01:26, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

I see what you mean...but at the same time, the whole piece reads like it's written to persuade people from a common opinion that he isn't one. I don't think a source would write it that way if it was a commonly held belief... Sergecross73 msg me 16:38, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm confused. How does this say that Mario is not a superhero? I'm asking this question unironically, by the way. I'm not trying to insult anyone and if I did, I sincerely apologize. Leader Vladimir (talk) 18:23, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

No no, I'm not saying that exactly, I'm just saying that, considering the wording, one would only write things like that if he wasn't generally considered a superhero. Opening with something like "don't let his looks fool you" would somewhat indicate that often people think his looks disqualify him as being a super hero.

Let's look at it this way. Would someone write "Dont let the looks fool you, cement roads are actually great for driving cars on."? No, because there's no real discourse on that fact - it's pretty universally believed that driving cars on cement is good.

Anyways, I don't really know how you intended on adding it to the article, but I'm just saying that we shouldn't label him as a super hero unless he's commonly labeled as such, and I'm just not sure he is. Sergecross73 msg me 19:18, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough. Leader Vladimir (talk) 19:30, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Species human

Mario’s species is confirmed “Homo Nintendonus” not human 166.196.89.102 (talk) 12:44, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

That's not a real thing. Sergecross73 msg me 12:58, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Neither is Mario, to be fair. 101.100.128.105 (talk) 01:07, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Right, but we write Wikipedia from a real-world perspective, for general audiences not necessarily previously knowledgeable of the subject. Adding fakes species isn't really helping with that. Sergecross73 msg me 01:18, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2022

Have Charles Martinet listed as a part of Mario's voice actor. Because he has the main voice for the character, since 1992 Bulenyulen (talk) 21:38, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Just thought that was weird Bulenyulen (talk) 21:38, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done He's already mentioned as Marios voice actor up and down the article, so I don't know where you're going with this request. Sergecross73 msg me 21:50, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2022

The "In other media" section ends with "A second Japanese animated film predating the live-action film by seven years," an incomplete sentence Palicatti (talk) 00:49, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps it could be lengthened to "A second Japan-exclusive animated film predates the live action film by seven years." Palicatti (talk) 01:03, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Palicatti I think the entire sentence fragment can be deleted. The Japanese film in question is mentioned near the start of the section: The 1986 original video animation Super Mario Bros.: Peach-Hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen! features Mario (voiced by Toru Furuya) as the protagonist. and perhaps move the ref there to that sentence as well. Does that seem good to you? Skynxnex (talk) 16:40, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, sounds perfect. Didn't realize it was mentioned at the start haha Palicatti (talk) 18:23, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done @Palicatti: Special:Diff/1114680232. Skynxnex (talk) 18:41, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Mario Teaches Typing text

Is it possible to move the text regarding Mario Teaches Typing from this page to that one? Timur9008 (talk) 09:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2022

Fix Luigi to be Younger Brother SuperMac3000 (talk) 14:50, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

SuperMac3000, Luigi's age comparison is already mentioned under Characteristics: "Mario is depicted as a portly plumber who lives in the fictional land of the Mushroom Kingdom with Luigi, his younger, taller brother." Panini! • 🥪 15:58, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

An incorrect fact

It says in the Article about mario that his original name was Mr. Video, but it was actually Jumpman. 199.168.73.131 (talk) 21:54, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Mario's species isnt human.

Mario's official species has been said to be "Homo Nintendonus" 72.138.106.170 (talk) 17:58, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, that's not a real thing though. That sort of nonsensical obscure trivia belongs on fan wikias, not here. Sergecross73 msg me 18:12, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

but a koopa troopa is also a fictional species, so my man is right it should be changed Abstrakt 76 (talk) 18:40, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Koopa Troopa shouldn't have "Koopa Troopa" filled out in the species field either. Sergecross73 msg me 19:00, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2023

there should be a section titled "Full Name" that says "Mario Mario" at the top of the 'in-universe information' section Abstrakt 76 (talk) 18:38, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done - Not commonly used in media. We don't need to fill out fields with obscure trivia. Sergecross73 msg me 19:00, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

well it should at least be part of the page, because it is Luigi's page Abstrakt 76 (talk) 22:43, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

If anything it should be removed from there instead. Sergecross73 msg me 23:18, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

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173.81.232.108 (talk) 03:42, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

amen to that GGISHERE - witness my glory - insult me 04:31, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Mario Article has been in game mw2

There has been a update on the famous the shooter Game called The new Modern warfare 2.0 and 2 the famous Mario character from the famous game called Super smash bros and Mario Kart 8,7,6 has been added in mw2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.160.140 (talk) 19:16, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, but we don't generally include every time fans make unofficial stuff like this...because it happens all the time. Sergecross73 msg me 20:16, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Mario (character)

Doesn't look like absolute PT? In ictu oculi (talk) 06:58, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Not sure what this is supposed to mean. Almost removed it as talk page gibberish. Sergecross73 msg me 13:58, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Should the render be updated?

As of Super Mario Bros Wonder Nintendo seems to have changed the artstyle to portray Mario both in-game as well as in promotional material. Maybe the picture should be changed to represent this. I sell eggs (talk) 21:08, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't think it really matters, it was a pretty minor redesign... Sergecross73 msg me 21:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I say it's a pretty major change considering how concrete he is nowadays. However, it's definitely a one-off style. Nintendo does not use this actively, and unless the art style continues we should stick with what's there. Panini! • 🥪 01:30, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

"Mario." listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Mario. has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 6 § Mario. until a consensus is reached. Gonnym (talk) 12:16, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Change to "Mario (character)"

I think the majority of people searching "Mario" will be looking for the franchise. I know I, personally, was looking for the franchise. Cereally8 (talk) 07:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Cereally8, if you didn't know, there a discussion about the topic so. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 00:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I believe there's been more recent ones too, somewhere. Sergecross73 msg me 01:11, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

"Infobox cruft"

I'm not entirely sure why very basic information is being removed from the infobox under the guise that it's "cruft".

WP:Fancruft designates cruft as information that "an editor does not regard [as] encyclopedic, either because the entire topic is unknown outside fan circles, or because too much detail is present that will bore, distract or confuse a non-fan, when its exclusion would not significantly harm the factual coverage as a whole."

In what way does the most fundamental information about the character, such as his relationship to other main characters (Luigi and Peach) and his place of origin fall under the designation of cruft? If you don't include this, you might as well not include any information about the character at all. Are all in-universe details, even the most basic and inherent to the character, simply "cruft"? I would certainly argue that this info is inherent to one's conception of the character. How can one properly gain an understanding of Mario without knowing that Luigi is his brother, or that Peach is his damsel in distress? This is not some obscure knowledge; it is the very basis of his character.

Pinging Users Blaze Wolf and Ferret

Loytra (talk) 14:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Interpersonal relationships are absolutely not essential to understanding Mario as a character, so I'm perplexed by the entire premise of this discussion. Mario's games are about a guy who jumps on bad guys to save the world, drives go karts, and plays zany sports. A vaguely alluded to romance with another character is absolutely not an essential bit of info for an infobox. That's more of a fan wikia thing. Sergecross73 msg me 16:17, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I would agree. That info can be in the body of the article (maybe) and not in the infobox. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{blaze__wolf} 18:15, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

The video game character task force was working on cleaning up this sort of stuff too, so you may want to ask them for clarity, or ask them to comment here. Sergecross73 msg me 16:21, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Oops! I sought out the discussion you were talking about and it seems like tagged in it about ~6 months ago. I guess I just missed the notification.

The discussion seems to have been very long-winded and thorough. Per WP:DEADHORSE, it's probably best for me not to revive it.

Thanks for the response! Loytra (talk) 07:19, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Mario Wonder Power ups

I did not see the Mario Wonder powerups I think that should happen. Waflaguigi (talk) 14:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

This article has a massive scope - everything related to Mario as a character. A globally recognized character that has existed for over 40 years. There's a lot to cover. So, thinking of it like that...the items that occur in one single game...are really not the most important thing to detail here. Sergecross73 msg me 18:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Sergecross73 I don't think they were in the wrong to ask about adding this though, since the article covers every single power-up he's used up to New U. However, this isn't anything we should be covering in this much detail and most of it should go arguably, except for "he uses power-ups", with examples. This would be something I would do whenever I get around to overhauling. Panini! • 🥪 19:54, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Agreed all around. Sergecross73 msg me 21:02, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Saturday Supercade

Found the source about Mario being in Saturday Supercade. Here [1] 39.50.235.97 (talk) 08:23, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Charles Martinez voice

@Zeldamaster702 Charles Martinez's voice in Mario vs. Donkey Kong Nintendo Switch shouldn't be counted because it's his reused voice clips from years ago and not his current voice-acting clips. Kazama16 (talk) 12:25, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Correct. It's very well documented that he stopped that role in 2023. The fact that they re-used old voice clips in a re-release does not change that. Sergecross73 msg me 13:02, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't think MvDK is entirely composed of reused lines. For instance, name one Mario game that has an HD recording of "Let's-a go, little guys!" or "Hey, come back here!". SuperWikiBrother (talk) 16:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Are there any reliable sources that verify this or is this your own original research? Sergecross73 msg me 16:40, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

@Kazama16, The latter phrase (and most likely the first too) comes from the original GBA game that this is a remake of. Whether or not it's HD does not mean that it's new; the remake does not pull from the distorted, low quality sound effect and likely just reuses the original audio file that they still have, and could use it in it's original quality since hardware restriction is not a problem. Panini! • 🥪 20:18, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I’m willing to relent that my edit may have been in error. I know there are several releases this year that are expected to have Martinet’s voice(archival or otherwise) and if any proper sources support my edit I’m happy for it to be restored, otherwise I’m fine with being corrected! I’m certainly no expert on here and I’m happy to learn from others that are! Zeldamaster702 (talk) 20:20, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Don't fret about it @Zeldamaster702! I looked into it because I was curious myself.

And it's not an erroneous edit; if users come to a disagreement the best thing they can do in any scenario is discuss it. Panini! • 🥪 20:24, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

No last name

Leaving this here, as it seems like fans love to try to add various last names. Sergecross73 msg me 18:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@Sergecross73 That was as of 2012. As of 2015 it's "Mario Mario". Not a good source probably but this appears to be verbatim what Miyamoto said during a live presentation for the Super Mario 30th anniversary. Panini! • 🥪 05:05, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

It was stated to be Mario Mario in the Mario Movie (Old One not the chirst Pratt One) Thats kinda his last name Kamata kun overlord 2016 (talk) 16:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Regardless, this is much more of an in-universe trivia/joke than an actual name. It's not used 99.9% of the time. Sergecross73 msg me 17:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2024

I think in the 2D Games section of the Mario page, we should add a paragraph explaining Super Mario Bros. Wonder, talking about the Wonder Flower that can change the setting, appearances of characters, etc. 2603:6010:8B00:44FF:5099:7BE0:4BA:4D74 (talk) 05:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jamedeus (talk) 06:40, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Regarding fire flower (and super mushroom) images

I didn't want to revert instantly and make a mess to cleanup, but I feel the original image of Super Mario Bros. gameplay would be a much better fit here. It's better demonstration of what Mario does with the powerup (and not just the powerup itself), as this article is about the character and not the items he uses. Also, the image has an additional role of showing old Super Mario gameplay. Panini! • 🥪 15:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@Panini! If that's the case then it should be a video of how Mario picks up a power-up and how he uses it. Not just a picture; it just shows Mario throwing a fireball, but not how power-up actually look, so I added detailed power-up image instead. Although this gif might be useful.[2] Kazama16 (talk) 09:20, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

"Wowee" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Trimming the gameplay is a must

Look, I know this is going to be a contentious statement, but a good chunk of this article reads more like it's a series article than about Mario, the fictional character. The article doesn't need this much detail on how he plays in certain titles between 2D and 3D, or a detailed list of powerups. Keep It Simple: a brief description of him being able to use powerups, the fact they change his color palette or add elements, and the most mainstream ones. Look at an example like Kirby (character), where you have a long running protagonist over a whole variety of game styles...but it doesn't go into excessive detail and just gives the readers basics on things.

I really feel nuking the whole section is in order: isolate it to a subpage so it can be worked on, and distilled down to the information needed. Leaving it here is going to have the too many cooks problem where we'll try to fix it and someone else will 'help' by adding in a bunch of details back in. Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Kazama has been adding a ton of content lately. A lot of it good...but a lot of it excessive too. I'd been holding off, because Panini and a bunch of WT:VG regulars were discussing reworking things too, and figured I'd jump in then. But I'll jump in whenever you or anyone else does.

Kazama, since I assume you'll see this: I mean no disrespect. You've added a bunch of good content. But I think we need to be more selective in what we add. The article is already huge and there's a lot of stuff to cover. But there's also a lot of other articles where stuff can be covered. (Wonder gameplay can be covered at Wonder or the Super Mario article, for example.) Certain things, like celebrities dressing up like Mario...probably don't need to be covered at all. You add some good stuff. But you also could use some editors refining your output as well. (As do we all.) Sergecross73 msg me 14:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Mario Species

According to this source [3] Mario is not a normal human but instead a different species of human named "homo nintendonus." So I'm wondering if this is a joke or a real thing. Kazama16 (talk) 12:09, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

It's not a real thing, and as such, means nothing to the reader. It should not be included. Sergecross73 msg me 12:40, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Looks like a man, walks like a man, talks like a man; this is a certified man. Panini! • 🥪 15:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I mean monkeys can walk like humans are they human Kamata kun overlord 2016 (talk) 16:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

That's not what Panini's argument was. Sergecross73 msg me 16:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Cleanup Begins

Just as a starting point for discussion:

As it is my favorite part of the article process I will be overhauling Concept and creation to begin; making sure the section is fully comprehensive and cleaning up as I go. I'm not one for working as I go in main space, so I will be rewriting this at User:Panini!/sandbox4.

This will include reorganizing the sections to be about "History", "Characteristics", and "Voice acting". Some details from Characteristics will also be merged here (just as a heads up, while many of these sections will likely be expanded, Characteristics will be shrinking, and by a lot.) Panini! • 🥪 00:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

 Working... Panini! • 🥪 23:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Kanye West controversy involving Mario

Check the sources to know more about this topic. [4] [5] [6] [7] 39.50.254.201 (talk) 19:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Sounds more like a Kanye story than a Mario one. I don't think it particularly belongs here. Sergecross73 msg me 19:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

My general rule of thumb is anything that affects the character itself; tangentially related events are best for their own subject article instead, and that includes what could be put in the reception and legacy sections. Panini! • 🥪 23:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2024

The pronunciations of Mario in the lead need stress symbols, i.e. ˈ (it’s different than a comma), at the start. 2001:BB6:B84C:CF00:3D6E:3EAD:A212:A54C (talk) 18:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 00:31, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Mario (character)?

I think the article for Mario the character should be changed to Mario (character) and the overall franchise should be called just Mario, like most other video game character articles like Sonic and Crash Bandicoot. 2601:243:C901:4600:4006:2415:2EF7:D279 (talk) 01:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey it just weird to see that Mario the character is just titled Mario while other titular video game mascots such as Donkey Kong and Pac-Man have character disambiguation however, you could see the previous discussion about it and it requested move so be happy. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 03:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Different articles have different disambiguation for different reasons. Keeping them all the same isn't a valid reason by itself. Sergecross73 msg me 12:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing, but for a different reason. Nintendo didn't invent the name Mario after all, and it's kind of strange the page simply titled Mario isn't about the given name or a disambiguation page. I guess this is the same with Luigi too. If long term significance is the reason here, I don't really see it, as the Mario character has only been around for like 43 years, while the name is much older. I remember I requested the Minions (Despicable Me) page to be moved to Minions a long time ago and it didn't get approved due to it not be long term significant. What do you all think? Thomasfan1000 (talk) 16:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

It generally comes down to a case by case basis - see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for more info. Sergecross73 msg me 16:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

"Metal Mario" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Mario Bros. as his second appearance

Wasn't Donkey Kong Jr. his second appearance and the game he appeared in before Mario Bros. The page mentions nothing about it and it just says "after Donkey Kong, Mario starred in "Mario Bros." 104.218.129.50 (talk) 19:19, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes Mario did appear DKJR and the mario bros (arcade) Monster 1954 (talk) 16:08, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I know, right! It's like they don't know Donkey Kong Jr. existed. Jackson200 (talk) 12:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

he hardly made a “cameo appearance” in Mario Bros. ‘83 for heck’s sake! 2A00:23C6:D603:8001:C8C5:8EE1:BC74:48E8 (talk) 10:51, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Undue infobox

Currently, the infobox lists nearly every person who has ever voiced Mario, whether it be in one commercial or even just a whistling soundbites in a singular game. Would there be any objections if I, following MOS:INFOBOX, remove all voice actors that aren't mentioned in the article body? DecafPotato (talk) 21:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Strongly support this. It should only be a few major ones. (Martinet, Pratt, etc) Sergecross73 msg me 23:38, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to be bold and remove a large sweep of cruft stuff from the page, hang tight. Panini! • 🥪 04:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm perfectly sure Mario should be a featured article

They're are not that many video game characters that are featured articles, and I believe Mario should be one of them. Mario has gone through a series of failed GA and FA nominations, which sucks since Mario is the most iconic video game character of all time. He has appeared in 100s of video games, even being a playable character in Super Smash Bros, and is an established pop culture icon, appearing in 100s of movies and TV shows as cameos. First it should go through a peer review, then a good article nominee, and finally a featured article candidate. I hope Mario becomes a featured article some day. Thank You. 50.100.46.100 (talk) 01:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

I know there's an editor or two interested in doing major work on the article, they just haven't really gotten fully into it yet. Not sure of their reasons, but I know that it can be a bit overwhelming to work on articles with such massive scopes like this. Sergecross73 msg me 02:20, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

User was blocked for vandalism. Panini! • 🥪 03:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

FYI, this user is not only a vandal but is jumping around different articles' talk pages and making the weakest arguments for reinstating something as an article, saying it's trash, or promoting it to FA. ThomasO1989 (talk) 04:52, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Request to replace dead link in Cameos section

I have noticed several dead links in the "Cameos" section, specifically in the sentence: "Mario appears alongside Pauline in a bonus segment in Pinball (1984).[159]". Footnote [159] plus hyperlink in Pinball word currently links to a dead page on gameinformer.com (as Game Informer media has closed).

I propose replacing the dead link with a similar source - Console Classics, that reflects the topic: [8]. This page provides information about Mario's cameo in Pinball.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Architegprints (talk • contribs) 14:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@Architegprints: There's a chance the Internet Archive has a functional archive of the source. I will go ahead and check to see if one exists. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{blaze__wolf} 14:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Just checked and it already links to the Internet Archive page for that website. No reason to replace the source just cause it's dead when an archive exists. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{blaze__wolf} 14:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Design comparison image?

Should an image be added that compares Mario's current design, with the blue overalls/red shirt, to his old one, with the red overalls/blue shirt?

No. You don't need a non-free image to say that the color was different. The less non-free images in our articles, the better. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 19:53, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. Chances are, if you can sum up the differences as succinctly as you just did with text, an image isn't necessarily. Sergecross73 msg me 20:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Another +1. Mario's design has had some minor tweaks over the years but hasn't undergone any substantial changes. He's not like Link or Sonic. JOEBRO⁶⁴ 21:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)